Wisconsin, US here. My county went 70% for Trump this time. That's versus ~48% in 2016. The problem isn't democracy. The problem is the people. Pissed as hell for all the wrong reasons at all the wrong people. Unable to see reality, expecting that the person in charge could make it a utopia with the flick of a switch. The average American is delusional and irreparably stupid.

We constantly joke that it's Idiocracy, but the truth is...

[–] quickdrinkthis@mander.xyz 33 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

This. Was crazy to see everyone turn on the DNC and Harris the moment it was over like we are just unable to come to terms with the fact that we're surrounded by garbage and morons and there's no way around it

[–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 15 points 9 hours ago (3 children)

The results aren't showing that though. They are showing a large amount of Democrat voters just stayed on the couch. Trump didn't get more votes than 2020, all that was needed was an energized democratic base.

[–] Zink@programming.dev 3 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Trump still got 72 million votes and counting this time. That’s with another four years of Trump scandals, revelations, criminal charges, insurrections, mental declines, and on-video insane statements.

The people who stayed home, or the politicians who failed to motivate them, sure they carry some blame. They could have helped. But they are not the base. The ones who followed Trump from being the outsider who is fun because he’s an asshole/racist like them, to the corrupt traitorous dictator-to-be who they’d like to watch hurt people. Blame them much more.

The steady level of Trump support unfortunately supports the fear that our culture is just garbage. We’re surrounded by it. There are plenty of proud assholes, sure. But so many people will legitimately be pleasant to everybody they meet and seem to function in society, but either believe horrible things or have a thick shell of indoctrination and ignorance around their brain.

[–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 hours ago

The people that supported trump were always going to support him and be energized to vote. That's a big part of why focusing on his lies was such a waste of time, it wasn't going to change any minds. Winning elections is about motivating your base, undecided voters are a wash and opposing voters aren't likely to massively shift.

[–] Reygle@lemmy.world 8 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

Couch-bound voting was easily possible and effortless. They CHOSE to sit it out.

[–] quickdrinkthis@mander.xyz 15 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

Sorry but staying on the couch makes you fall under the garbage and/or moron category imo

[–] NuclearDolphin@lemmy.ml -2 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Maybe dont genocide next time. Genociders, their financiers, and those who enable them are garbage.

[–] quickdrinkthis@mander.xyz 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Okay so best case scenario now you have an incompetent, ineffectual rapist and felon now who doesn't care about genocide in this country let alone another, and will let it drag on. Worst case you have an incompetent rapist and felon who will write a blank check to Netanyahu to finish the genocide quickly with whatever means necessary. His supporters and the people who sat back will share culpability in whichever happens. So we definitely agree on your last sentence

[–] NuclearDolphin@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

will write a blank check to Netanyahu to finish the genocide quickly with whatever means necessary.

This is literally happening as we speak now that the election is over. How many Gazans will be left for Trump to genocide? How many months early will Israel complete their ethnic cleansing due to Trump? Is there a rate that can occur faster than the billions of dollars we are currently surprising?

I voted for your stupid fucking genocide candidate so fuck off.

[–] quickdrinkthis@mander.xyz 1 points 1 hour ago

I mean I'm guessing tens of thousands? Probably several months early when aid to Gaza goes to zero? So yes, I think yes there is a faster rate. Thanks for doing your part though, sincerely. I'm actually a Canadian living in the US so I'm indeed making plans to fuck off.

[–] IzzyJ@lemmy.world 36 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Thank you for saying it. The voter is the fucking problem. Anyone with half a brain realizes this. Gaza, egg prices, and the candidate not having a dick was enough to the traitor rapist felon to get a trifecta. That's not a campaign problem. Maybe Harris didn't run a perfect campaign, but that's clearly not the issue here

[–] Altofaltception@lemmy.world 17 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

I'm not American. Maybe my opinion also comes from a place of not understanding how government works in the US. But in 2020, Biden won the Presidency and the Democrats had control of the House and the Senate. Yet, they had a harder time of reversing Trump's policies than he had pushing them through. Let alone not even trying to enact progressive policies.

As an outside observer, maybe that's why people have lost faith in the Democratic party.

[–] IzzyJ@lemmy.world 7 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Because you have to consider all the court appointments he made, including the supreme court that he stacked. If the Biden admin did any more, itd just get struck down. The court can basically nullify any law or executive order they want without repercussion. Im frankly shocked he got away with as much as he did

[–] TopRamenBinLaden@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Orange asshole is definitely going to get more of those court appointments over the next 4 years. And they will all pretty much be there for the rest of our lives. Any sort of sense of democracy that the US had was probably dealt a death blow today.

[–] assaultpotato@sh.itjust.works 28 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah uh, I really really hate to say it, but... democracy worked this time. The voice of the people is "Trump please". Democracy just means you get what most people want, not what the best option is.

[–] Mesophar@lemm.ee 6 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I'm pretty sure the majority of people mourning the loss of democracy aren't saying it because they feel the democratic process was broken this election, rather they say it because Dump vowed to dismantle democracy and serve as a dictator.

[–] assaultpotato@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 hours ago

Eh... I'm sure that's the case for some people, but a lot of left and right wing people seem to think democracy=my ideas winning. Those people seem to think Trump winning is not reflective of the (very shitty) will of the people.