There was some talk of this issue in the recent fediverse inefficiencies thread. I'm hopeful that in the future we'll have a decentralized solution for file hosting but for now I deeply believe that users should pay for their own file hosting.

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[–] sosodev@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (4 children)

What would an IPFS solution look like here? That's a genuine question. I don't have much experience with IPFS. It seems like it isn't really used outside of blockchain applications.

[–] taanegl@lemmy.ml -5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

The sustainability of it is questionable. If I'm not mistaken, IPFS is based on Ethereum, which has gone over to proof of stake rather than proof of work, but it's still a pretty cumbersome system.

We're talking about something that needs to compete with Quic and CloudFlare. I'm not sure that Ethereum or even crypto itself is efficient enough as a content delivery method, that IPFS - though a nice idea - is unrealistic.

But that's just speculation from someone who has zero knowledge behind IPFS as a technology and protocol, so take it with a grain of salt.

EDIT: honestly, why qualify with "I'm not sure" when besserwissers and their alts roam the fediverse instead of going to therapy. Smh. Give the people a Tl;Dr at least. I'm not here for long form content.

[–] Scio@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

IPFS has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with Ethereum, or indeed any blockchain. It is a protocol for storing distributing and addressing data by hashes of the content over a peer to peer network.

There is however an initiative to create a commercial market for "pinning*", which is blockchain based. It still has nothing to do with Ethereum, and is a distinct project that uses IPFS rather than being part of the protocol, thankfully. It is also not a "proof of work" sort of waste, but built around proving content that was promised to be stored is actually stored.

Pinning in IPFS is effectively "hosting" data permanently. IPFS is inherently peer to peer: content you access gets added to your local cache and gets served to any peer near you asking for it—like BitTorrent—until it that cache is cleared to make space for new content you access. If nobody keeps a copy of some data you want others to access when your machines are offline, IPFS wouldn't be particularly useful as a CDN. So peers on the network can choose to pin some data, making them exempt from being cleared with cache. It is perfectly possible to offer pinning services that have nothing to do with Filecoin or the blockchain, and those exist already. But the organization developing IPFS wanted an independent blockchain based solution simply because they felt it would scale better and give them a potential way to sustain themselves.

Frankly, it was a bad idea then, as crypto grift was already becoming obvious. And it didn't really take off. But since Filecoin has always been a completely separate thing to IPFS, it doesn't affect how IPFS works in any way, which it continues to do so.

There are many aspects of IPFS the actual protocol that could stand to be improved. But in a lot of ways, it does do many of the things a Fediverse "CDN" should. But that's just the storage layer. Getting even the popular AP servers to agree to implement IPFS is going to be almost as realistic an expectation as getting federated identity working on AP. A personal pessimistic view.

[–] taanegl@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

TL;Dr. From Wikipedia

IPFS allows users to host and receive content in a manner similar to BitTorrent. As opposed to a centrally located server, IPFS is built around a decentralized system of user-operators who hold a portion of the overall data. Any user in the network can serve a file by its content address, and other peers in the network can find and request that content from any node who has it using a distributed hash table (DHT).

So it's BitTorrent in the web browser... thanks. How is that to be competitive with CloudFlare and Quic again? It has the same network issues that the blockchain has, in that it will be cumbersome and slow - for anyone else that doesn't have millions to throw into infrastructure. Welcome to the same problem again, but in a different way.

[–] Scio@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

Ironically, because there's no UDP in browsers, we can't actually get proper p2p on the web. WebRTC through centralized coordination servers at best. Protocol Labs has all but given up on this use-case in favor of using some bootstrapped selection of remote helper nodes.