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US elections: European Greens call for Jill Stein to step down (europeangreens.eu)
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Here's the problem: Trump is out to maximize environmental damage and the US Green Party runs as spoilers. Let's look at three scenarios:

Scenario 1:

Harris: 1001 votes

Trump: 1000 votes

Stein: 0 votes

Harris wins

Scenario 2:

Harris: 1000 votes

Trump: 1000 votes

Stein: 1 vote

Tied vote, which goes to the courts and Congress, putting Trump in power

Scenario 3:

Harris: 999 votes

Trump: 1000 votes

Stein: 2 votes

Trump wins outright

This spoiler effect makes it really imperative to actively vote for Harris if you want to see any kind of climate action going forward. Republicans know this, which is why they're the ones funding the Green Party.

And that's why the European Greens want Jill Stein to step down now — they get that what she's doing is making it easier to elect a fascist bent on environmental destruction.

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[–] silence7 13 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

They're recognizing that a first-past-the-post system gives us effectively a choice between two candidates, and are choosing to support the one willing to do more. This is what the Biden/Harris administration got us:

Trump wants to roll everything back.

[–] MrMakabar 6 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Just look index@sh.itjust.works post history. It is not worth it.

[–] nictophilia@fedia.io 4 points 2 weeks ago

It's worth it to call out shills so they can't spew their bullshit uncontested. This isn't reddit where a barrage of downvotes hides them. They need active pushback.

[–] index@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 weeks ago

Go ahead and point out what's bad about any of the posts i ever made. I always post in good faith, i do not advocate for evil, war or any corrupted government or politician. I wonder if the same could be say about you.

[–] index@sh.itjust.works -5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

If we look at the chart the emissions are pretty much as high as they were in 1990, they even went up in the past few years. They could drop these in a day by banning billionares commodities. There's a reason why climate activists aren't advocating for the current ruling parties.

[–] silence7 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

To the contrary, when I've been doing phonebanks calling climate activists asking them to be involved in actions supporting Harris, I'm finding that I actually know people on the list, and they're showing up.