It's funny when armchair experts insist that the fediverse won't catch on because "federation is too hard to understand" when arguably the most widespread communication system on the internet follows the same model

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[–] palordrolap@fedia.io 13 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Yeah, Usenet was where it was at back at the turn of the millennium. Then again, I had access through a university. Access wasn't free outside of places like that.

ISPs were spotty on coverage because even at that time, they needed at least a terabyte of storage to dedicate to it, and still not be able to cover everything that was on there. Of course, they might've got away with less if they decided not to carry the binaries newsgroups...

The way it worked was a lot like how Fediverse federation works now, or similarly, filesharing. It was possible to be reading a thread of messages and the older ones wouldn't be available on your local/ISP news server because their space had been recycled for newer data.

If you were lucky, your attempt to access that message might cause your host to grab it on a future request to upstream hosts or peers, but some Usenet messages are completely lost to time because everyone purged them.

Google buying Dejanews, the largest archive of all messages, and merging it with the travesty that was (and still is) Google Groups just about killed the whole thing.

[–] psud@aussie.zone 1 points 6 days ago

ISP around me had policies like "we can provide Usenet except for the binaries trees"

[–] Supervisor194@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Google buying Dejanews, the largest archive of all messages, and merging it with the travesty that was (and still is) Google Groups just about killed the whole thing.

Well that and the fact that it was unmoderated which eventually led to it being populated almost exclusively with mentally ill troll savants. USENET by the end was the digital equivalent of a horror zoo of abused monkeys slinging shit all over everyone and themselves.

[–] schizo@forum.uncomfortable.business 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

unmoderated

Fun fact: that's not strictly true.

You could have moderated groups, where a moderator/group of moderators would get sent every post via email, and they'd only be posted into the group if approved.

The vast, vast, vast majority of groups were not moderated, but that's not to say you couldn't do so.

[–] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

I don't think they mean unmoderated as in can't be moderated but just that they weren't moderated.

[–] Supervisor194@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yes pardon me I left off the word "largely" before "unmoderated." We all knew it was possible, but it didn't matter because, as you point out - nobody really did.

[–] schizo@forum.uncomfortable.business 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

We all knew it was possible

I wouldn't bet on that, which is why I mentioned moderated groups at all. As you said, they're rare and even if you used usenet 20 or 25 or 30 years ago, the odds that you'd have ever seen one was shockingly low.

So even ex-usenet users might not have a clue that there was a method for doing that (let alone any of the people who aren't that old), which is why I brought it up.

[–] Supervisor194@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Huh. Well, everybody I hung out with knew about it. IIRC moderation was tacked on after USENET had already taken off. If a newsgroup wasn't proposed with moderation then it couldn't be moderated, so most of them weren't. It's pretty wild that they didn't understand how desperately necessary it would be. In order to get a group to be moderated you'd have to get a proposal for an entirely new group through the committee, which was nearly impossible. The process was so slow and bureaucratic that the web literally just showed up and stole it all in what seemed like overnight. I remember when I switched over... it was like 2002, 2003? I've never had as much fun on any web forum as I had on USENET though. Those were fun times. And don't get me started on the web's lack of threaded discussions. Drove me NUTS.