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Privacy advocates got access to Locate X, a phone tracking tool which multiple U.S. agencies have bought access to, and showed me and other journalists exactly what it was capable of. Tracking a phone from one state to another to an abortion clinic. Multiple places of worship. A school. Following a likely juror to a residence. And all of this tracking is possible without a warrant, and instead just a few clicks of a mouse.

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[–] capital@lemmy.world 25 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

Don't bring your phone.

Get a burner and set up call forwarding.

[–] RvTV95XBeo@sh.itjust.works 22 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

burner goes from your house, to abortion clinic, to your office, back to your house

Hmm, must be someone else, I don't recognize this number

-The Government

[–] capital@lemmy.world 4 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

You really can’t think of a solution to this?

[–] Jtotheb@lemmy.world 10 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

You really think you came up with an airtight solution to device tracking that nobody in the industry has considered on a whim?

[–] capital@lemmy.world 4 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Ok how’s the industry tracking a phone with no power?

[–] Jtotheb@lemmy.world 16 points 6 hours ago (3 children)

That was possible over a decade ago.

Link Link Link Link

Also to be clear, you suggested that you bring a burner phone and set up call forwarding. That implies a phone that’s on. If you’re carrying a burner phone that’s off, I do have a novel solution, just don’t bring it

[–] capital@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Hm. I said without power. Not switched off.

Judging by the upvotes you’re far from the only one who forgot about simply removing the battery.

I suggested no power but not for the entire trip. Put the battery in when you’re sufficiently far from your house so as not to be associated with it. Remove it again when you’re sufficiently close to your house.

Use your imagination. It helps.

[–] midnightblue@lemmy.ca 3 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

No that's not easily possible on every phone. It's a specifically crafted FakeOff malware, used by the NSA for targeted attacks. This is not something that just randomly gets deployed on every phone, it's only used against individual targets. Use GrapheneOS to harden your Android device as much as possible, to defend against such malware getting installed in the first place.

You really think the NSA will get involved to track someone who wants to get an abortion?

That was possible over a decade ago.

You know what also existed over a decade ago? Faraday bags. This concept of physics isn't new.

Just stop spreading fear and misinformation.

[–] Zink@programming.dev 1 points 4 hours ago

You really think the NSA will get involved to track someone who wants to get an abortion?

Probably not, unless it’s an exceptional case where they are already interested for another reason.

But if, say, county sheriffs across the country also got access, I would be surprised if I didn’t hear about women’s and doctors’ lives being ruined by them.

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 7 points 7 hours ago (5 children)

Then how you gonna take a selfie in the bed?

Seriously tho, people need phones for everything, including their calendar and map and communication with their partner.

Not bringing a phone isn't an option

[–] capital@lemmy.world 1 points 44 minutes ago

Not bringing a phone definitely is an option.

But I suggested a burner with forwarding so that handles comms to partner.

If you can’t function without your main device for special circumstances such as this, I guess you just can’t be helped.

[–] PriorityMotif@lemmy.world 5 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Believe it or not, digital cameras exist as standalone devices.

You can also buy an rf blocking bag for your phone.

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 2 points 2 hours ago

Yes, you can. But thats the last thing on the mind of someone who is struggling to terminate a pregnancy in the US in 2024. We need something better.

[–] WrenFeathers@lemmy.world 8 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I can assure you that people don’t need instant access to calendars and maps. Smart phones are a convenience, not a necessity.

(Source - lived through the 80’s. Still alive to tell the tale)

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 0 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

"And fuck all the other people who are addicted to smarphones. They don't matter" /s

[–] WrenFeathers@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

No, they don’t. Because if they’re weak enough to allow themselves to become addicted to a device, that’s their problem to solve. Not even else’s.

Smartphones are a convince, a tool. Nothing more. If one can’t live without one- there’s a problem needing to be addressed.

[–] frostysauce@lemmy.world 1 points 43 minutes ago

if they’re weak enough to allow themselves to become addicted to a device

That's not how addiction works.

[–] basmati@lemmus.org 8 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

There are alternatives to all of that. If you're going to do potentially illegal acts, and you don't want to rot in jail for the next however many decades until a scotus exists to set you free, take basic operational security into account and don't bring the corporate tracking device that cops can freely tap into.

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 5 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Yes. And we need laws that provide this protection to everyone by default.

[–] basmati@lemmus.org -3 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

That's cute but to get those laws you have to vote third party and hope they don't get killed or bribed before passing said law. I don't see that happening until long after the US collapses, so in the meantime it makes more sense to understand how not to be a victim to a fascist government.

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 0 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

In the US, yes. But this is mainstream in countries with democracies.

Anyway, of course. Stein or West or youre voting for climate catastrophe, privacy erosion, and genocide.

[–] basmati@lemmus.org 0 points 46 minutes ago

The opposite, actually, they're the only candidates, assuming you meant Stein and Claudia, that do not have any of that in their policies.

[–] WindyRebel@lemmy.world 7 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

Mapquest is still around, so that solves one problem. The rest can be alleviated by communicating in person with your partner and aligning on a plan to not get tracked (like partner driving you and leaving their phone at home).

In the absence of that help, friends or family you trust. A cab? The clinic probably has a phone to hail a cab when you’re there.

Disclaimer: I’m just providing work arounds, I’m not saying they’re ideal.