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There is no more quiet part anymore [Feb 2024, referring to Obama] (lemmy.ml)

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[–] fibojoly@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 month ago (2 children)

That's a short sighted view of the world. We are very much affected when morons across the pond vote a madman into power.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Fair, but my point is that most of the BS that happens here doesn't really impact anyone, such as:

Jan 6 - would've mattered if Trump retained power, but he didn't
mass shootings - blown out of proportion IMO (lots of misleading statistics), but also doesn't impact anyone
LGBT issues - some states have truly terrible policies, but in general, things are pretty okay; I live in a red state too

I'm certainly no fan of Trump and have voted against him every election so far and plan to this election, but I also don't think he's nearly as dangerous as the posts that get attention here on Lemmy make him out to be. He's certainly dangerous, but I think it's more from a "stupid economic and foreign relations policy" perspective than the "next Hitler" perspective that so many online try to label him as.

The net result of a Trump vs Harris presidency probably won't impact too many people outside the US. Neither seems particularly keen to start a massive war, and they both are championing policies that will likely make the economy worse (Trump's tariffs and Harris' price fixing and corporate tax hikes). Harris will probably be less bad overall for both Americans and non-Americans, but I highly doubt Trump will do anything truly atrocious, he really does want to be seen as "the best President" or whatever.

I certainly won't convince you, and my post was largely meant to be funny, so take this for whatever it's worth (probably what you paid for it).

[–] fibojoly@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I certainly appreciate where you're coming from. But whereas I've no idea exactly what Biden did during his tenure, Trump's mandate was a nearing constant barrage of WTF proclamations and online logorrhea, with some of his delirium actually affecting me personally and I for one, as a foreigner, like to have quiet, well-behaved neighbours. So if we could have another four years of peace and quiet, that would be nice.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago

another four years of peace and quiet

Yes, that would be nice.

That said, for all of the nonsense Trump spewed, his actual changes were pretty mild:

increased deficit and probably contributed to COVID inflation (cash handouts and whatnot tend to cause inflation)
capital punishment - US previously had a moratorium on executions, which he lifted
immigration - reduced number of refugees admitted, increased border security; family separation was pretty awful too
trade - withdrew and renegotiated some agreements, levied tariffs; trade deficit increased
Russia - weakened sanctions on Russia
Afghanistan - negotiated withdrawal of US troops
Iran - withdrew from nuclear arms agreement and increased sanctions

Most of that doesn't impact anyone, except maybe the weakened sanctions against Russia encouraged Putin to invade Ukraine. But that's really hard to say, since the invasion didn't happen until 2 years into Biden's presidency, so it probably would have happened regardless. the trade negotiations were mostly directed at Asian trade partners (mostly China).

He was a terrible president, yes, but most of the impact to regular people was him spewing rhetoric on social media. I honestly just ignored that noise and was relatively happy during his presidency (and the tax cuts were nice).

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

You guys should get your own fascist rise to power in check before worrying about ours. The amount of surveillance you've got going on is nothing short of Orwellian.