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Dude there are 2 options in the us both support genocide just one of them wants to deport every immigrant and put in a ton of awful policies And genuinely is a threat to democracy pick the better option and vote
There’s no point arguing with MAGA about who to vote for. Just point, laugh, and move on. It’s the 11th hour. They’re not going to stop now.
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They both deport the same amounts of immigrants: https://ohss.dhs.gov/topics/immigration/yearbook/2019/table39 Obama deported more than Trump
You just admitted that you don't have democracy two seconds ago. You can't say "I have no choice but to let my rulers commit genocide in my name" and two seconds later say "We have a democracy worth defending"
Have you not heard their new plans for deportation its going to be wayyy worse than he was when he was in office.
At least there are 2 shitty options versus none
The democrats have also drifted rightward on deportation in this election, saying that they'll be harder on the border than trump was in 2016, which, again, they already had been doing. The cost benefit here is an argument over whether or not one or the other will be like, 5% worse, and some of us, like you've just been sent evidence for in the previous comment, aren't even convinced that the democrats will be any better.
Perhaps there is a third approach here, yes? Perhaps there is something in the specifics of this lack of actual, tangible democracy that exists for people, that means your specific vote is mostly meaningless anyways, which means it's freed up to be thrown at some third party candidate, yes? Do you live in a swing state? Do you live in a gerrymandered swing district in one of said swing states? Do you live in a state where your electoral college candidate has to obey your vote? If the answer to any of those was no, then congrats, you basically have free reign to vote for whoever actually aligns closest to your beliefs, because your vote doesn't actually matter.
Bullshit. Your vote matters. It might not impact you local election but the more obviously backward the electoral college looks the more likely someone will throw it in the trash like they should have decades ago.
Do you have any actual argument other than just saying "Bullshit. your vote matters." though? Anything more to back that up, with a basis in how the system actually functions? Do you think the democrats will legitimately provide a challenge to FPTP voting? To the electoral college? Do you think the republicans will? How would that get overturned, what would that actually look like?
In time, with enough constituents demanding it, yes. The electoral college specifically hurts their chances.
They would have no power without the electoral college. They are close to losing even with a disproportionate amount of influence which is why they are willing to sabotage the country to get back into power.
The best way to challenge this captured system is to recapture it via one of the two parties. Make sure your representatives know what you want, convince others who agree with you to do the same, and convince the rest that disagree with you that you are in the right. Then you get critical mass and make it happen. The same way every cultural change happens.
Alternatively or simultaneously, you could have efforts pushing third parties locally. It is easy for an established party to destroy one political opponent on the national level. Just throw money at the problem. 1,000 local elections though? Much harder to manage an attack on a thousand fronts.