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[–] daltotron@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The democrats have also drifted rightward on deportation in this election, saying that they'll be harder on the border than trump was in 2016, which, again, they already had been doing. The cost benefit here is an argument over whether or not one or the other will be like, 5% worse, and some of us, like you've just been sent evidence for in the previous comment, aren't even convinced that the democrats will be any better.

Perhaps there is a third approach here, yes? Perhaps there is something in the specifics of this lack of actual, tangible democracy that exists for people, that means your specific vote is mostly meaningless anyways, which means it's freed up to be thrown at some third party candidate, yes? Do you live in a swing state? Do you live in a gerrymandered swing district in one of said swing states? Do you live in a state where your electoral college candidate has to obey your vote? If the answer to any of those was no, then congrats, you basically have free reign to vote for whoever actually aligns closest to your beliefs, because your vote doesn't actually matter.

[–] theparadox@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Bullshit. Your vote matters. It might not impact you local election but the more obviously backward the electoral college looks the more likely someone will throw it in the trash like they should have decades ago.

[–] daltotron@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Do you have any actual argument other than just saying "Bullshit. your vote matters." though? Anything more to back that up, with a basis in how the system actually functions? Do you think the democrats will legitimately provide a challenge to FPTP voting? To the electoral college? Do you think the republicans will? How would that get overturned, what would that actually look like?

[–] theparadox@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

Do you think the democrats will legitimately provide a challenge to FPTP voting? To the electoral college?

In time, with enough constituents demanding it, yes. The electoral college specifically hurts their chances.

Do you think the republicans will?

They would have no power without the electoral college. They are close to losing even with a disproportionate amount of influence which is why they are willing to sabotage the country to get back into power.

How would that get overturned, what would that actually look like?

The best way to challenge this captured system is to recapture it via one of the two parties. Make sure your representatives know what you want, convince others who agree with you to do the same, and convince the rest that disagree with you that you are in the right. Then you get critical mass and make it happen. The same way every cultural change happens.

Alternatively or simultaneously, you could have efforts pushing third parties locally. It is easy for an established party to destroy one political opponent on the national level. Just throw money at the problem. 1,000 local elections though? Much harder to manage an attack on a thousand fronts.