So, in your mind, helping to prevent civilians from dying in a war zone and stopping countries being taken over by foreign powers to be exploited is not a worthy humanitarian effort?

[–] zephyrvs@lemmy.ml -4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

European countries are taking somewhat decent care of Ukrainian refugees, which can't be said for refugees that aren't white skinned.

And did you just collate military equipment with a humanitarian effort or am misreading that?

I'm in full support of any real humanitarian aid possible: Support their wounded and sick, support their people with basic needs (generators/energy, food, water, clothing, temporary housing, psych support etc).

Sometimes I'm really surprised at some of these questions you people come up with.

Edit: Typo.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The main difference between Ukrainian refugees and what we usually get is that Ukrainians are, without exception, well-educated enough to start working right away, and not just in unskilled low-income jobs. Compare that with, say, Somalis with virtually no education, and not even able to sit through a class because they never got accustomed to as kids, then competing with natives for a very limited number of those low-income jobs. That's why Ukrainians get working permits straight away while we'd rather pay welfare for the Somalis until they're ready.

I don't know what it is with Seppos and making everything about race. There's actual fucking issues with integrating people from non-developed countries that are completely absent in the case of Ukraine. Ukraine may be piss-poor, yes, but its fundamentals are solid, quite a bit better than Romania and Bulgaria even I'd say and those are EU members.

EDIT: While PISA numbers are to be taken with a whole salt shaker as measuring good education is notoriously difficult (see "teach the test") Ukraine outranks Greece across the disciplines. More or less head-to head with Italy.

[–] zephyrvs@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I was talking about the way they were treated, not which refugee is the better worker drone.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ukrainians don't burn their passports and refuse to aid in their identification, if that's what you're alluding to because that's the kind of stuff gets you shitcanned in the "You can stay in a camp with full board and meagre pocket money and leave the country at any time but forget starting a life here" way, as the only reason to do that is if you don't actually qualify for refugee status or asylum. But, again, nothing to do with race.

[–] zephyrvs@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Your basically proving my point, I rest my case.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

What, because I assume that people would rather have a life than hang around in limbo in a camp? Yes, yes I do. OTOH it's also completely besides the point as I'm describing, plain and simply, the difference between your "brown" and "white" immigrants. The difference is that they come from different conditions, not that they have different levels of melanin -- I mean seriously they often don't. You have yet to make even an inkling of an argument to the contrary.

[+] lemmyshmemmy@lemmy.world -13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Europe has taken in millions of non-white refugees and taken great care of them. How many have Russia and china taken in? India? Brazil?

[–] zephyrvs@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Look it up. I'm not your personal researcher, sorry. I'm happy to provide sources to backup claims I've brought up myself.

I never compared Europe to other nations in terms of harboring refugees and I didn't even imply that Europe hasn't been taking in refugees. I wish you'd spend a bit more time reading and understanding what people are writing instead of just coming up with cheap rhetorical or whataboutism questions.