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Always a good reminder. It’s dismaying how many people don’t understand or refuse to believe that the paradox of tolerance is very real.
Tolerance is a social contract, if you are tolerant of others you will be tolerated as well. It can be the most terse a step from violence tolerance but so long as folks follow it then it remains. But once ya break it then the group ya broke it against has no reason to be tolerant of you, neither are those who align with them.
For example I fucking hate the Seventh day Adventists, its for mostly ancestral reasons but I hate them and refuse to act tolerant towards them. I am not entitled to the tolerance nor civility of those who think that is unacceptable, nor do I want it.
Can I ask about the Seventh Day Adventists? I've run into a few over the years but never had issues and don't know much of them. Is what they did more than personal? If so I'd like to avoid them too. I have precious little patience for bad religious nonsense.
Its multiple things, for one my neighbor who is like kin to me was abused by her father growing up and the Adventist protected him. Thats more personal compared to my families gripes, basically we've been dealing with them for about a hundred years legally, socially, and economically. The main things that fuel that side of my hatred is the hypocrisy, the dishonor, and the fact that they will take the most underhanded and spineless way of gaining political control.
Theyve mellowed out kinda in the last 50 years according to my family, but the church structure is more or less the same. Think of it as a slightly toned down Jehovah's witnesses with some scientology mixed in, the people may be fine but the leadership is fucken horrid and abusive to their own.
They also do shunning or at least used to which is fucking abhorrent, ya dont exile kin just because they broke a stupid religious tenant.
That all definitely makes sense. I've heard of a few sects doing shunning and segregation of members perceived to have sinned. It's a horrid practice that I assume is better serving to drive people away than encouraging them to come back. But your community abusing you like that can have a potent enmeshment effect too. Especially if the relationship was always perceived as close and good.
Thanks for talking about it. Seems a good group to avoid.
Yeah I just went over the basics that I can explain easily, theres probably more to be said but id leave that to actually researched articles and videos.
Yeah no need to go that far for a forum reply. I can dig if I feel compelled lol