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Aside from racism. I mean economically/socially, what issues does too much immigration cause?

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[–] pumpkinseedoil@sh.itjust.works 31 points 5 days ago (3 children)

There only are so many resources for them. Here in many European countries the main issue (I think) is that with the current numbers we fail to teach them all our language (it's simply not possible without having more language teachers available, and apart from needing those teachers that also needs more money). Without knowing the language their professional development is massively hindered, causing many to remain lower class, and causing disproportionately high crime rates among certain groups.

This leads to further problems: In the big cities there already are schools where people who speak the local language are a minority (for example in a primary school near me they have two classes for each grade (1-4) for children who can't speak German yet and one class for all grades together for German speaking children).

So guess what people do: They go to a district with less immigrants, while the districts with many immigrants keep getting more immigrants (since cost of living is low there and as pointed out earlier many struggle to leave lower class). We're re-creating segregation. This makes it even harder for those people to leave lower class, since they have no networking opportunities but only know others from lower class instead.

Even the left wing parties are now saying that we have to reduce immigration and instead integrate immigrants better.

[–] mayo@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Ethnic enclaves - tons of these in Canada.

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 days ago

It happens in any country that has immigrants.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

That's a good point. Maybe a more even distribution of immigrants would help.

It's a little strange to me because the US has no official language. My poor grasp of Spanish and Chinese is actually a hinderance here in California.

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 6 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

That's a problem though, you can't dictate where people live, within the country. Even if you tried, assigning them to a very expensive town, perhaps where no one knows them or speaks their language just puts them dead in the water.

Also, the US has a primary language, not a federally official language. The same issues of disadvantage occur if you can't speak English.

[–] TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 0 points 4 days ago (1 children)

So the reason to limit immigration is because you fail to teach them the language? How is that a reason, and not just one form of limitation?

Instead, why not ask: why not invest more into supporting integration programs? Because immigration tends to have hugely positive impacts on the target society. The only reason not to invest in it would be.... 🤔 some kind of fear....

[–] pumpkinseedoil@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

The reason is that there's not an infinite amount of ressources. Integrating them properly works well as long as there are enough ressources, but when too many come in a too short timeframe it sadly does not work for all of them (also makes it much harder for them to get proficient at German since they can live in their own bubble and just talk in their native language).

(And we have many ressources, but we (Austria) took the most immigrants per capita of all central European countries, even significantly more than Germany which is known for having taken so many. We really are trying.)