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Instead of having an opinion on a subject I know zero about I'll leave it to the ppl who know about the pros and cons of Trans athletes. If you don't know anything about it you should shut the fuck up and listen to those that do. The negative of the internet is giving merit to ppl who know fuck all about what they're taking about
What do you need to know? It's a high school team, not the Olympics. Why wouldn't the default always be inclusion? High school is a tough time for a lot of kids, and I'd imagine it's more difficult for most trans kids. If participating in sports makes it 5% easier, then so be it.
In theory, I agree, but the reality is not that simple. There aren't enough resources for everyone to play on every team, so there is selection, and tons of kids in high school pin their future hopes on doing well in sports. It's ridiculous, and I hate the fact that school sports are so competitive as a result, but that's the world we live in. Nobody is allowed to just play for fun. So as long as someone thinks their kid might be excluded or overshadowed because some other kid is "cheating", there will continue to be conflict. It's another aspect of the zero sum mentality.
While I guess areas may be different, the high school I went to, and also the area I now live in, have varsity and JV teams. You had to be good enough to make varsity, but no one got cut from JV. Just belonging on a team is enough for some kids to make it all bearable. Everyone mentions scholarships, but how often is this honestly actually an issue?
Not just how often is scholarship but how many trans kids are even gonna apply to teams for this to be a problem. Judging by how much some people bitch and moan it almost seems like every single team in the world is getting overrun as we speak by trans athletes. Also why the fuck is the 'party of small government' getting involved by passing laws about this, leave it to the fucking commission of each sport once it reaches that level where it matters, they can put it to a vote and handle it or whatever the fuck they wanna do.
For perspective, one of the states in the southwest (I think New Mexico) tried to pass a similar ban and it got overruled by a judge because it was found that it would affect a total of 4 girls in the entire state, and the judge felt that that violated the federal law that says that you can't make a law that targets specific people (ie you can't make it illegal for Mike and Jerry specifically to join the basketball team).
Good for that judge.
Your experience is very different to mine. I went to high school in the 90s. Even back then, both JV and varsity were cut teams for most sports. Some sports were popular enough that they had no-cut teams for underclass kids. But that cost money for extra coaches, equipment, gym time, travel, etc... I was able to play basketball on the freshman and sophomore teams, but I was never good enough to make JV, let alone varsity. Now my kids are in high school and it is even more competitive, because the schools in our area have more students and less money per student for sports. My son tried out for freshman basketball. There were 60 kids trying out for 10 spots. He didn't make the cut. Only kids who had already been playing on district select teams for years did.
I want to be clear: I don't think it's fair to ban trans kids from playing sports on any team. But I also don't think we can expect people to just get over it. In their minds, at least, there's too much at stake.
Yeah but think of all the bigots that will have aneurysm because of this. Literally killing people by allowing the girls to play.
Pro: Kids have fun playing together.
Con: Literally every single professional athlete will become trans so they can win at sports.
I remember folks from Phillip Morse saying this about smoking, then bringing out a congo-line of quacks to prove it. Then we repeated this with the Exxon shills denying climate change for thirty years.
Maybe I'm getting tired of being lied to by professionals.
Please tell me I'm missing the sarcasm here 🙄🤦♀️
What experts do you think are lying about trans people?
British pediatrician Hilary Cass, just for starters
That is true.
Did I miss the sarcasm or do you really think ANYONE would/could transition just for supposed gains in sports, let alone EVERYONE? They would have to take hormones that make them permanently infertile for over a year and proceed with a social transition all to convince a regulatory body that they are trans (and all of this would be incredibly difficult on their non-trans minds), and they would lose an incredible amount of muscle mass which typically athletes... Wouldn't want
No, that was pure sarcasm.
Even at the most practical level, there are easier and more effective ways to cheat at sports. But the hysteria around this thing that has never actually happened happening consistently means we need to pretend its a problem to soothe the nerves of people who are well past the point of competing in anything.
But the Cass Report shit was sincere. The amount of lying that went into structuring an argument for denying young people any form of bodily autonomy is staggering. Its going to go down in history like phrenology did. But we're going to be forced to treat it as seriously as the Hutus and the Tutsies were forced to treat a guy with calipers, because this pseudoscience is being enshrined into British national law.
I'm sure at least one person would, even if just to prove a point. There is almost always an exception.
If it's to prove a point then they won't pass the regulatory body, like when Ben Shapiro tried to get a bunch of mediocre male basketball players to pretend to transition to try to get them into a women's basketball tourney. It didn't work, because they were obviously not trans. It isn't even difficult to tell, because they obviously don't have the relationship with their gender trans people have. It would be hard to fake. And none of them were on hormones anyways so they wouldn't have qualified in the first place.
Estrogen supplementation on a male mind will cause gender dysphoria, so I don't think they would be able to keep it up for very long. But say one does, why would they knowingly make themselves infertile with no benefit? I know I had to weigh fertility and HRT and only went with HRT because of the mental health benefits that come with it. A cis man pretending gets no benefit, but does get:
I would guess, and I may be wrong, that the percentage of cis people that would get gender dysphoria is closer to 90% than 100%, if someone didn't plan on having kids ever (and didn't research other potential negatives like shrinkage) I could definitely see some trolls doing it just to prove "the libs" wrong.
Consider also that receiving HRT requires you to convince your doctor you are trans, and Informed Consent comes into play. They would likely be informed of all of the side effects.
I would say that the 10% of cis men who wouldn't experience dysphoria in your hypothetical weren't cis in the first place. In fact, anyone who transitions to "own the libs" is probably just trans and scared.