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[–] Jessica@discuss.tchncs.de 57 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (7 children)

Well that didn't last very long. It was 8 MB for like six years and then it just went to 25 MB maybe a year ago and now we're back down to 10 MB.

I'm surprised they aren't offsetting the cost by selling all our data to language learning models like everyone else is

[–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 40 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I’m surprised they aren’t offsetting the cost by selling all our data to language learning models like everyone else is

Hah. Hahaha. Hahahahahahaahahahahahaha. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

[–] Jessica@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Just to be clear, I 100% think they are selling our data. What I meant was I'm surprised they're concerned about the size of the uploads when they could just be selling the uploaded data.

[–] poke@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

For the record, they still claim that they do not sell user information nor data.

[–] y0kai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Giving it to China for free isn't selling. Its just called "investor relations"

[–] dev_null@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] y0kai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I simply don't trust any company that provides a "free" service and is owned by Tencent, who has a 35% stake in Discord.

[–] dev_null@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago

Neither do I, which is why I would love evidence to confirm my suspicions, so I can show it to others.

But I also try not to make claims that are merely suspicious, however likely.

[–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 months ago

Good point. Harder to parse would be my guess

[–] 30p87@feddit.org 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

And standard screenshots of my desktop are ~30mb, I was lucky to upload it lol

[–] B0rax@feddit.org 14 points 2 months ago (1 children)

What format are you saving them in? BMP? Try png.

[–] 30p87@feddit.org 3 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I am using png. Level 0 compression tho and in 4k (3840*2160), sometimes even 4k + 2*1440p (2560*1440), but it's already too large with just my main 4k monitor.

[–] B0rax@feddit.org 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] 30p87@feddit.org 2 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Because it was never a problem. It's a little bit faster for encoding and decoding, and no service ever had problems with the file size. Especially not my selfhosted stuff. Every service, except discord. As I now have resorted to using Vencord or just uploading most media to Nextcloud, I don't have that many issues with it anymore, anyway.

[–] nekusoul@lemmy.nekusoul.de 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It’s a little bit faster for encoding and decoding

On the other hand, the time spent uploading/downloading much smaller files probably more than makes up for that, although even that difference might get pretty small with modern internet connections.

[–] 30p87@feddit.org 1 points 2 months ago

Especially in times where using WiFi is faster than ethernet, because my network ports are only gigabit.

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 month ago

Because it was never a problem.

But you literally started this thread because it’s a problem. And then you spent more time defending your bad choice on a Lemmy discussion than you will ever save in your entire life decompressing PNGs.

[–] brb@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago

How does Vencord help with the upload limit?

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You know PNG is lossless compression right?

[–] 30p87@feddit.org 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Yes. But in theory it's still a performance hit, and as I have enough local storage (and typically use services with high limits), and I'm too lazy to change grims config just for discord, I never changed it and used Vencord instead.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Why do you think it's a performance hit?

[–] 30p87@feddit.org 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Because even though it saves over 29 MB, it also takes more than 20 times as long. And that's just on my laptop, 1920x1080 + 2*1680x1050. On my PC it's even worse.

I have thousands of GB of high speed storage, Gigabit internet, but only a Ryzen 5 2600 and a i5-1145G7.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 2 points 1 month ago

What about compression level 1 instead of 9?

[–] ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org 3 points 2 months ago

I'm surprised they aren't offsetting the cost by selling all our data to language learning models like everyone else is

aren't they doing it? but at least by looking at how much they like locking out people until they give out their phone number, I suspect they are not collecting it without having further use for it

[–] y0kai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

"by selling all our data to language learning models like everyone else is"

I imagine China is using it for free since Tencent owns a 38% stake.

[–] gencha@lemm.ee 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

They increased to 25 to encourage media uploads to train their own models with. They now have collected enough metrics to realize, most valuable content is below 10MB. Now they are optimizing. They won't lose anything valuable to them and the users who are impacted might even buy Nitro now. Win-win for them

[–] lud@lemm.ee 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It would be legally stupid for them to abuse that.

[–] gencha@lemm.ee 1 points 1 month ago

https://discord.com/terms#5 is pretty permissive

Your content is yours, but you give us a license to it when you use Discord. Your content may be protected by certain intellectual property rights. We don’t own those. But by using our services, you grant us a license—which is a form of permission—to do the following with your content, in accordance with applicable legal requirements, in connection with operating, developing, and improving our services:

Use, copy, store, distribute, and communicate your content in manners consistent with your use of the services. (For example, so we can store and display your content.)
Publish, publicly perform, or publicly display your content if you’ve chosen to make it visible to others. (For example, so we can display your messages if you post them in certain servers or recommend that content to others.)
Monitor, modify, translate, and reformat your content. (For example, so we can resize an image you post to fit on a mobile device.)
Sublicense your content, to allow our services to work as intended. (For example, so we can store your content with our cloud service providers.)
[–] BlastboomStrice@mander.xyz 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Wait, I ~never was notified that it got to 25mb, I thought it was 8

[–] Jessica@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 months ago

It might have only even been like six months. It was in the little change log pop up during one of the updates at some point