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[–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 27 points 2 months ago (35 children)

Imagine being unironically anti-democracy and also claiming to be a socialist.

[–] stabby_cicada 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (23 children)

Anarchist types prefer consensus-based decision making processes to democracy. We want the entire community to agree on a course of action, not just let 51% order 49% around.

[–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 17 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Wouldn't that just lead to no action being taken and eventually falling to a system of government, likely invaders, who are capable of taking organized actions?

You know, like every power vacuum ever recorded for all of human history?

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works -5 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Hypothetically perfectly organized invaders, or invaders from the rival majority-rule system? More "action" isn't necessarily better - it includes massive subsidies and bailouts for the 0.1%, a huge source of inefficiency.

If it's the latter, then each soldier will be in various 49% groups. Our army today is half wage conscripts.

[–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

No, not perfectly organized invaders, literally any heierarchal group. Because the locals cannot do anything together without consensus. Defence would bw difficult, counter attacking would be impossible or ineffective because the local group would splinter.

[–] thebestaquaman@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Anarchists always seem to ignore the fact that out of the plethora of governmental forms that have been tested by various human civilisations throughout the millennia, anarchism is not one that has ever survived prolonged contact with other civilisations with a different form of government.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

They said the same thing about democracy before the French Revolution.

[–] thebestaquaman@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

They did? They said that about a governmental form that was documented as 2000 years old at the time, and which has been used in some shape or form by some human civilisation for as long as we have had civilisation?

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