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Get a mister.
It IS the original hardware; its an FPGA
It perfectly emulates the CPU, but it’s not the same as touching the actual hardware. For better or worse.
We can't even say it perfectly emulates the CPU. It may pass all tests we know about, but even 1980s CPUs were complicated enough to have odd niche behavior.
It's some great hardware, but I think a lot of people have been hoodwinked into thinking FPGA = perfect. Often some of the same people who turn their nose up at software emulation for equally bad reasons.
It's still emulation. Yes, it's emulating hardware, as close as possible and often indistinguishably close, but it's still emulation.
For example, my EDGB X7 runs fine on any real Game Boy I have, but can't switch games on an Analogue Pocket.
Another weird issue that I had was that if I launched my Pokemon Crystal save on Pocket it would, for some reason, permanently change my character from a boy into a girl (without saving the game!). This wasn't happening on my Game Boys (I restored the save a couple of times to test it).
It is not emulation, it is hardware replication. And yes it is not always perfect. As with any replicated or cloned hardware it is just as good as the available information and the skill of the manufacturer.
Sure, however you choose to call it, it's not "original hardware".
Fariiiid doesn't know shiiiiit.
True and I would never call it original hardware. But it is so much closer to original hardware then emulation ever could be.
I mean, you are buying analogue products, so what do you know anyway.
You're clearly just trying to pick a fight, but care to point out what I said wrong?
Not always, the mister would need more elements to do an actual 1:1 for many newer consoles and the cores are often reverse engineered best guesses and not replicating the original asic design.
On the other hand, original hardware goes through revisions and the silicon can change (snes 1chip vs 2chip for example) while still be perfectly compatible so it really depends ho much of a stickler you are.
By its very nature, an FPGA is not original hardware.
An FPGA is hardware that is designed to be very similar to original hardware, but it does not actually use original hardware components, and because of this it can actually have bugs or inaccuracies that were never present in original hardware.
Well to be even more precise, its designed to be able to replicate most hardware of anything. Not designed for a specific device
It’s also about as cheap to just buy the original consoles than a kitted out mister.
Although if you figure in AV switches, upscalers and everdrive carts, the price for convenience does swing back into the misters favor
The Neo-Geo would like a word
What's the benefit of it versus emulation?
It is FPGA based, due to this it can be configured on hardware level to exactly replicate the original hardware of the retro system. This and that it runs directly and not through some emulation layer and modern OS and stuff means that it gets as close as original as it can be, with zero lag and delay.
Do you perceive noticable lag when emulating on a modern PC?
Not only perceive, it is often multiple frames from multiple lag sources (input lag of the USB controller or even worse Bluetooth, display lag from the monitor, rendering lag from the emulator, framebuffer lag). Playing fast paced games with frame perfect movement (Megaman on the NES for example) is so much harder on a emulator with all the lag, even on very recent hardware.
Mister people are equally obnoxious about this
I barely touch my original hardware at all since I have my MiSTer it is just so good.
Now this is the real solid advice