But the belief in religion like Christianity comes with an afterlife. If you truly believe that there is a heaven and hell, torture is not going to make you drop those beliefs. On the flip side, if being gay was a choice, all you're choosing is strife and being gay.

I think it's a perfectly fine argument.

[–] blackstampede@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I doubt that a potential future reward is going to allow a person to hold up under torture in the now. I think some Christians probably refuse to recant under torture because their sense of self is rooted in their religion, rather than because they expect a reward. Of course, paradise is part of those religious beliefs, so it's hard to tell.

[–] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

I think it's less of a reward, more of a fear. How can I turn my back on god and risk eternal damnation? That's a powerful thing right there. But true, it is also a massive part of some people's identity.

[–] blackstampede@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

When I deconverted, I found it to be really hard to get past the fear. The thing that finally did it for me was the idea that a truly benevolent God wouldn't have an issue with inquiry, and a malevolent God wasn't one I wanted to follow. Fear is definitely a factor that keeps people in the church.