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[–] hOrni@lemmy.world 80 points 1 month ago (4 children)

The comparison is kinda unfair. The big truck has a wider bed, bigger tires and more power. It also seats more people. So it is able to get more load through more difficult terrain. However we can be quite sure it won't be used in that way.

[–] Grass@sh.itjust.works 69 points 1 month ago (5 children)

I've never seen one with wear and tear and/or dirt that would indicate difficult terrain. Those only leave the city in advertisements.

[–] Kanda@reddthat.com 19 points 1 month ago (1 children)

There's a few in the country around here. The ones with dirt on them are almost exclusively the Toyota Hilux, though

[–] Grass@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago

up to but not including 7th gen hilux is more in line with what I would consider a reasonable truck design. I'd give them a pass before 2004 or so. The bulbous round ones, if people actually use them off the streets then it probably won't offend me to see them on the road but personally I'd just have a small car for day to day and only use the truck for what I bought it for, storage insurance when I don't need it. I'm still too scared of having my bike stolen to commit to no car it turns out. Some places are just too sketchy.

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Are you around forestry, oil drilling, or similar sites? Obv most are fleet stock simple (with decent tires), but the 4 door, white truck with a V8 is ubiquitous when you need 4 grouchy dudes to effectively live out of it for a whole day, plus all their equipment and food. It's hilarious how much shit these trucks hold and get anywhere with a 2 track

[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That truck isn't this truck though. That truck is dirty, dinged and always in use. The part of this truck that gets used the most is the entertainment system.

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 2 points 1 month ago

Well of course not this one with all the candy. But same frame, same class of engine, same door configuration, etc.

[–] s38b35M5@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The tonneau cover is usually there because A) they do mostly highway mikes and want the improved mileage resulting from reduced drag, and B) they rarely use the bed, as those covers are a PITA unless you only remove it once in a great while.

I live in Central America where its mostly little trucks owned by workers, and they often drive on mud roads and hard terrain. The only people with trucks like the black one in the picture are US expats with ...particular political leanings.

[–] OutsizedWalrus@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Nearly every tonneau cover folds or rolls up. Outright removal is a pain, but using the bed isn’t.

The factory standard cover rolls up in about 30 seconds.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago

that only happens when actual working people buy it used, maybe a decade down the line, to do actual work.

[–] OutsizedWalrus@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

A lot of people wash them shortly after going off road to avoid rust and corrosion.

[–] Grass@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago

unless the owner does a full handwash, clay, compound, and wax every time, there is no way the trucks I'm seeing in my region are washed off road vehicles.

[–] nicerdicer@feddit.org 30 points 1 month ago (2 children)

it won’t be used in that way.

However, there is (or was) an additional product for faking off-road activity: Spray-on mud for giving a justification to need such a car.

[–] Akasazh@feddit.nl 2 points 1 month ago
[–] spacesatan@lemm.ee 1 points 1 month ago

In a way I almost prefer that to the blatant posers I see driving around with huge lifts and offroad tires looking spotless in our muddy season out here. I was at the combo laundromat/carwash the other day watching one of them wash an already clean truck while I was thinking about the massive mud puddle I'd be driving through to get home.

[–] PythagreousTitties@lemm.ee 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

My brother in law has a truck like the one on the right. That backseat area is huge. You could stop and have a picnic back there during a road trip.

I can't imagine owing it. It looks dumb to me and it's far too big for normal use. But he's a cross country hauler, so it's not a big truck to him.

And they have three kids, so I doubt he gives af about pp showmanship.

[–] fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Yeah.

Sure, most people with a big truck don't need one.

That said, the capabilities of the bigger truck far exceed that of the Suzuki.

[–] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The majority of trucks i see are driven by a guy in a perfectly clean dress shirt, carries a fancy bag for papers and they work an office job. Their justification is often something along a couple potholes on their rural road just outside of town (so they dont have to pay as much property taxes to fit potholes). They moved a fridge once for their kid 5 years ago so that paid for the truck in their mind.

The majority of these things are ego boosts. Hence why they tailgate, rollcoal, have loud exhausts and can be covered in sexist/racist/religious stickers. Its all about look at me for most of these trucks.

Amazing.

I'm not defending any of these people.

My point is, the two vehicles pictured have dramatically different capabilities.

[–] buzz86us@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I have yet to see a big truck carrying more than a ton of things, and I'm near home depot often. These trucks are capable of 800lb which should be fine for most people. I'd love a vehicle where if I found something I liked I could pick it up while still being a viable economical daily driver.

Do you live in an urban area?

I did say most people don't need one.