Well in Idaho, just about everyone I know who lives there supports Israel. And in Texas there are a bunch of people criticizing Kamala and our state's Democratic candidate for Senator for being radically pro-Hamas.
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Not MAGA voters but possibly conservative Muslims who were influenced by Fox News and other far-right news outlets to think that Trump would be better for the economy.
People who are normally socially and economically conservative (which may in part be due to far-right propaganda news outlets) but also differ in significant ways from mainstream western conservative politics, and they are much more opposed to the genocide than they are supportable of those socioeconomic values. Not so relevant in 2016, a lot more relevant right now. There's probably more of them than you think.
A lot of (and probably most of) the people supporting Stein currently are Muslims whose main interest in voting is regarding the genocide, and on social issues are generally more conservative (and may not agree with her on stuff like LGBTQ) and may not align with either major political party so likely wouldn't be voting otherwise. I've seen a lot of Muslims support Stein on social media and the Stein rally I went to was almost entirely Muslims which is where I'm getting this impression. This is a case where the main parties need to earn their votes, and voting for Stein does not mean voting for Trump because they might not have voted blue either way.
(And regarding Lemmy drama most of the people here are voting PSL anyways so trying to convince people here not to vote for Stein is pointless because it's the wrong audience.)
I'm talking about what the Pro-Palestine groups are doing, not what I'm doing, since you keep saying Pro-Palestine groups should promote Democratic candidates so I'm explaining why they aren't doing that. Since you think you know how a pro-Palestine organization should be run, why don't you go to a protest, find an organizer, and tell them your idea then let me know how that goes? I'm not in charge of those groups so if you're going to argue about what candidates Pro-Palestine groups should support you're wasting your energy on the wrong person.
Captain represents capitalists falsely promising to fix our problems
Broken liferaft is the false promise (i.e. voting is going to fix our problems despite genocide, imperialism, deporting illegal immigrants, hurting homeless people, fracking, etc)
Fixed liferaft is what actually will save us (i.e. food, housing, healthcare, etc)
While everyone is hyperfocused on who to vote for, the capitalists take the rest of the food/housing/healthcare and everyone else dies.
passenger 1 - "Oh crud. Our boat is sinking. We are in great peril indeed."
captain - "We're going to be okay everyone, just get into this liferaft."
Pulls out liferaft with a huge fucking hole in it.
passenger 1 - "Is this the only liferaft we've got?"
captain - "Yes, but don't worry about the hole, it won't sink and we'll be fine I promise."
passenger 2 - "Hey guys, I have a liferaft over here that doesn't have a hole in it."
captain - "Guys, that's not important right now. Our boat is sinking."
passenger 1 - "Eh, I guess I'll go in that one."
passenger 3 - "Sure me too, captain says we should - wait where's captain?"
Looks up, in the distance sees captain floating away on functional liferaft.
captain - "So long fuckers!"
Passengers board remaining liferaft, liferaft sinks, the passengers die.
Words don't stop genocides, actions do, and the Biden-Harris administration has made no actions to prove that they are any better than Republicans on this issue. Pro-Palestine groups have one job and it is to make sure Palestinians aren't being oppressed and genocided. They are putting pressure on Democrats to stop the genocide, but their job is not complete until their demands are actually met. Negotiating for a kindof genocide is not what they exist for, and it makes their stance appear weak and easy to manipulate so they are not going to do it. If they convince the Democrats or whatever political party is in power to stop, they win. If they don't, the protests create discourse and increased discontent among the community for the government as they go mask off with their fascism, which then puts more pressure on the government from the community to stop and the cycle repeats until somebody caves in.
If the Democrats wanted a ceasefire they would actually be trying to make that happen. The staff pushing for a ceasefire, some of whom remained anonymous out of fear of retaliation, are going against standard Democratic policies. Also that article happened a year ago, still no ceasefire. Meanwhile seeing what Democratic political figures who are on the highest levels of government post, all I ever see is either explicitly pro-Israel stuff or pulling the "protesters are anti-patriotic and pro-Hamas" card. Pro-Palestine Democrats are a minority if they even exist, and the majority of the party who actually has an influence in public policy is bought out by the military-industrial complex and other corporations and don't give a shit about anything but their paycheck - Democrats overall are only escalating the conflict and are not going to end the genocide no matter how much they pretend they want to - Biden hasn't and Kamala has made it clear which side she is on.
Given that Democrats want the Palestinians to exist
Wow those bombs the Democrats sent them sure seem happy to help Palestinians grow and prosper
The Democratic Party’s inability to get on the right side of history on this issue should not deter pro-Palestinian groups from acting in their own self-interest to achieve their goals.
Have you even been paying attention to the protests? Unlike lemmy.world politics, these protesters hold a very fine line between what is tolerated and what isn't, meaning anything that causes their families death and suffering through their tax dollars crosses that very fine line. The entire purpose of the protests is to demonstrate that this issue is not one they will negotiate with. Expecting a group to tolerate their families being less bombed over more bombed is fucking ridiculous. I wouldn't want my family to be bombed at all and neither do Palestinians.
Palestinian statehood would be dead under a Republican christo-fascist dictatorship along with millions of people.
Palestinians will be dead regardless of whether it is a christo-fasticst dictatorship or a corporate-fascist dictatorship committing the genocide. Don't expect them to negotiate with either of them.
I'm confused by the last paragraph in terms of why a pro-Palestine organization would want to work with a party that is actively genociding them. Democrats working with those groups would have been a great strategy, meaning they wouldn't have funded the genocide in the first place. Right now a lot of Muslims who would otherwise be somewhat apolitical are voting green because of this, and SJP is outwardly condemning Democratic candidates like Biden and Kamala. If it was only the Republicans that were causing the genocide those people would probably be promoting Democrats.
They organize in ways that make a bigger impact to the community than voting for one of two fascists.
Doesn't NYT cut off most of the article now? I used to just be able to disable JS but that didn't work anymore last I checked.