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@theunknownmuncher @Samueru Like Russia placing nukes in Cuba guaranteed we wouldn't invade it?

The thing about not being willing to learn from history is that you are then destined to repeat the same mistakes.

@lily33 @theunknownmuncher The best way we can help Ukraine is by removing outside influences from both sides. What is being portrayed as a war in Ukraine is really a proxy war between Russia and the US that was egged on by the US. This is most unwise given that both nations are armed to the teeth with nukes. We really should be looking at ways to de-escalate not escalate this war.

@theunknownmuncher I don't justify genocide, I acknowledge ALL conflicts involve at least two sides, and to punish only one of those sides is to take part in said genocide rather than oppose it.

@theunknownmuncher Your timeline doesn't go back far enough and I notice you completely ignored the bit about Eastern expansion of NATO and what the United States promised Russia.

@theunknownmuncher And I could give countless other examples of other countries. I don't agree with the war, but I also know if we hadn't installed Zelenskyy and if the United States had honored our promise to Russia not to extend NATO past East Germany, then it would not have happened. So I understand that it is hardly one sided on Russias part. If we didn't fund Ukraine, if we didn't offer them membership in NATO, none of this would have happened. And I'll add if the Ukraine and Russia did not have large oil reserves and some other precious minerals, the United States would be a lot less interested in them. But that's all in the past. Now, you and I can disagree with each other and we can disagree with what our governments do, but if we want to build a better world it has to happen through the cooperative efforts of citizens NOT governments because the latter just historically a lot less likely to happen. So I can't see this move as at all productive towards ending this particular war or world peace in general, I see it as quite the opposite.