bartolomeo

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[–] bartolomeo@suppo.fi 1 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Sorry for all the questions but I have one more- you mentioned he showed no sign of wanting to be a dictator but what about:

In November 2012, Morsi issued a provisional constitutional declaration that granted him unrestricted authority and the authority to legislate without the need for judicial oversight or review. This was a move to stop the Mubarak-era judges from getting rid of the Second Constituent Assembly.[5] The new constitution that was then hastily finalized by the Islamist-dominated constitutional assembly, presented to the president, and scheduled for a referendum before the Supreme Constitutional Court could rule on the constitutionality of the assembly, was described by independent press agencies not aligned with the regime as an "Islamist coup".[6] These issues,[7] along with complaints of prosecutions of journalists and attacks on nonviolent demonstrators,[8] led to the 2012 protests.[9][10] As part of a compromise, Morsi rescinded the decrees.[11] A new constitution was approved by approximately two-thirds of voters in the referendum,[12] although turnout was less than a third of the electorate.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohamed_Morsi

[–] bartolomeo@suppo.fi 3 points 9 months ago

I didn't read the text, just came to comments to see what it was about. Now I know, this is a meme.

[–] bartolomeo@suppo.fi 1 points 9 months ago

Haha sorry mate I must have assumed you had your mind reading hat on. Basically what darkassasin said above.

[–] bartolomeo@suppo.fi 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Actually you're both wrong, in 2005:

Following the withdrawal, Israel continued to maintain direct control over Gaza's air and maritime space, six of Gaza's seven land crossings, maintains a no-go buffer zone within the territory, controls the Palestinian population registry, and Gaza remains dependent on Israel for its water, electricity, telecommunications, and other utilities.[4][75]

A British Parliamentary commission, summing up the situation eight months later, found that while the Rafah crossing agreement worked efficiently, from January–April 2006, the Karni crossing was closed 45% of the time, and severe limitations were in place on exports from Gaza, with, according to OCHA figures, only 1,500 of 8,500 tons of produce getting through; that they were informed most closures were unrelated to security issues in Gaza but either responses to violence in the West Bank or for no given reason. The promised transit of convoys between Gaza and the West Bank was not honoured; with Israel insisting that such convoys could only pass if they passed through a specially constructed tunnel or ditch, requiring a specific construction project in the future; Israel withdrew from implementation talks in December 2005 after a suicide bombing attack on Israelis in Netanya[28] by a Palestinian from Kafr Rai.[79]

Gaza hasn't been free since at least 1967.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_disengagement_from_Gaza

[–] bartolomeo@suppo.fi 1 points 9 months ago

Not with that attitude us is not!

[–] bartolomeo@suppo.fi 0 points 9 months ago

That's right and from the looks of it genociders of a feather stick together (Germany).

[–] bartolomeo@suppo.fi 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (4 children)

Thanks, I didn't know that. Do you think Morsi was planning to become a dictator?

[–] bartolomeo@suppo.fi -1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I totally agree with you on Ukraine.

I think the main success of the current narrative on Palestine is disguising Israeli expansion as Israeli self-defense. Here's a map of the UN partition plan for Palestine and you can check today's borders to see how much land Palestine has ceded to Israel, unwillingly of course. Israel was created as a result of the Palestine Civil War and have been expanding ever since. That was the plan the whole time, as it says in the above linked page:

Zionist leaders viewed the acceptance of the plan as a tactical step and a stepping stone to future territorial expansion over all of Palestine.

I don't see how Palestine is any different from Ukraine in terms of needing to cede land to the invader in exchange for peace. What do you think? I'm sure there's a lot I'm not aware of.

About the negotiations and truce offered to Israel:

https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna24235665

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/may/01/hamas-new-charter-palestine-israel-1967-borders

Oh and one more thing, you said

For a war Russia started? With no justification?

but there was justification, I believe it was NATO encroachment or something about Nazis in Ukraine. I'm not saying it was good justification but I would like to point out that there was justification (just like Colin Powell in front of congress with a vial of white powder that was something something WMDs in Iraq) and I'm sure someone, somewhere was saying "doesn't Russia have the right to self defense?". If I understand correctly, the justification for Israel invading Palestine in the first place was "we are God's chosen people and we want this land" which is an extremely flimsy justification but that might just be my personal opinion because I'm not religious.

[–] bartolomeo@suppo.fi -1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Sure, not insinuating anything about you personally. It's just that very few people would say "Israel should adhere to the 1967 borders" or "Israel should respect UN resolution 181” or any variation on Israel respecting international law.

[–] bartolomeo@suppo.fi 0 points 9 months ago

Very interesting, thanks.

[–] bartolomeo@suppo.fi 3 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Thanks for sharing your take. It seems like a lot of people think Palestine needs to do stuff but Israel doesn't. I'm not sure if it's a double standard, racism, Israeli exceptionalism or what.

What happened at the beginning of the conflict isn't going to help.

Do you mean the Palestine Civil War?

[–] bartolomeo@suppo.fi 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Good points. Regarding Evangelicals, don't they believe that when Jesus returns (is that called the rapture?) all the Jews will die or something?

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