TheDankHold

When the Scotsman was born in Austria and lived their whole life in Russia I don’t care how much they insist they’re a Scotsman. Definitions matter.

I doubt you’ll insist that NK is a democratic republic.

When your objective is obstruction then that’s all you need.

Since you want to be obtuse I’ll specify that I’m referring to state affiliated media. You also skipped right past the fact that the Israeli government has self admitted that they have a whole department dedicated to controlling the narrative internationally. Following this with saying how credible you think those government reports are says a lot about your credulity.

Israeli state media and state associated media has been caught lying and framing information in manipulative ways. You’re trusting Israeli reports after they lied about targeting journalists and to this day still can’t show a Hamas base under Al-Shifa? Sounds like you’re unaware of your own bias in that regard.

Furthermore, the idea that they face consequences for their lies is laughable. They lied about the USS Liberty and paid a fraction of the money the US supplies them with every year. They lied about sniping journalists and faced no consequences. They can’t prove that Hamas was under Al-Shifa after leveling the place.

And thanks for bringing up the Israeli news organizations that are intellectually honest. They’ve done great reporting on the lies used by Netanyahu’s coalition to push their official narrative.

By my logic one should be skeptical, read multiple sources, and discard sources that act in constant bad faith, not distrust all news.

You can’t say that honestly after disparaging Al Jazeera and praising “Israeli reports to be far more credible” when it’s common knowledge that the Israeli government lies constantly about this issue.

Despite your admission on how universal bias can be you don’t seem that interested in challenging your own.

Certainly not by body count, or the amount of territory seized from civilians. Or the number of dead journalists specifically.

Just because they’re sanctioned by an internationally recognized government doesn’t change what they’ve done. Including smuggling money and resources to these terrible people. The government that ensured the success of terrorists to further political narratives are in fact more terrible than the terrorists they enable.

You’re on Lemmy obfuscating the fact that Israel has a PR department that puts editorial pressure on most news organizations. Much like Russia they also have groups like Hasbara astroturfing online discussions, this is all self admitted by the government.

So by your logic we shouldn’t trust any news.

Every news source has bias and it’s a sign of a critical thinker to avoid ad hominem and look at the substance of what’s being reported. Especially when there’s already proof out there that the Israeli government has lied in the past to justify actions taken against Palestinians at large.

The prisoners that mostly don’t even have charges levied against them? I wonder why people would compare an act of illegal imprisonment with another instance of illegal imprisonment?

Your mind doesn’t sound as critical as you seem to think.

So optics mean that much to you. No wonder your perspective is so warped.

When an IDF agent snipes a journalist and his buddies assault people at their funeral you’re a fucking terrorist. A government sanctioned terrorist to be specific. The kind that murder people in their homes.

Future IDF soldiers included in that thought terminating cliche about terrorists? Or is it not terrorism when they accompany settlers to the West Bank to kill Palestinians and take their homes and burn their property?

To not focus on the powerful political coalition ensuring this outcome is to buy into their murderous narrative.

I’m sure those children that make up more than half of the population will think twice before extremists that aren’t them do something.

Then they could live like in the West Bank, where settlers burn your crops and kill you to take your land. Where the territory you control is comparable to the holes in Swiss cheese, surrounded on all sides by Israeli checkpoints and illegal settlements.

Extremists thrive in unstable social environments, the attack in October did not happen in a geopolitical vacuum. The depraved and horrifying conditions inflicted on the Palestinian people by Israel directly fuel the extremists and the current political coalition in power are very much on record as using Hamas to kill international support for Palestinians at large. Not to mention cabinet members like Ben Gvir using bloodthirsty language commonly put solely onto Palestinians.

Maybe Netanyahu and his coalition shouldn’t colonize and repress people? Maybe they should work with moderates as opposed to smuggling cash and resources to terrorists? Just like 9/11 was caused by the US government propping up militias to undermine local authority, the October attack was caused by the Israeli government propping up fundamentalists. In both cases the citizens are convenient shields for these politicians and excuses to enact their own selfish political goals.

I’m definitely on the synergistic side of this conversation. The intimidating beauty of nature and the inspiring beauty of human determination to build this complex regardless work together really well for me.

Thanks for sharing! This is an amazing photo :)

That point is very American centric but it’s telling that that’s the only part you want to engage with, going so far as to misrepresent their position.

They said it was part of the problem, not “all the fault of” as you said.