Kucifus

Maybe the fact that the three words in the title are Star Trek Discovery? It's not a ridiculous notion.

BBC is a good comparison, similar to Dr Who and Sherlock vibe. People who enjoy those I imagine would like the Kurtzman trek shows.

Respect.It's not for me, but I appreciate that other people can enjoy it, no shame in liking a thing, and no shame in not liking it either. People are allowed to have opinions.

Guy writes respectful and reasonable personal opinion on discussion board - downvoted. Guy swears at him and tells him he's a troll, upvoted.

We really are Reddit 2.0.

I did enjoy Picard S3, but that notably didn't involve Kurtzman.

I'm old enough for that too. I saw and enjoyed both DS9 and Babylon 5 when they came out! There are definitely issues with DS9, but it never treated the audience as stupid or took its material anything other than seriously. It was ambitious and very well written, especially the Cardassian characters.

I get particularly frustrated at the "teen humour" focus of the new stuff, it's just not written with me in mind and that's fair enough but I don't think we should be comparing it to the old stuff and arguing it's the same level of quality because that's not accurate.

You can reasonably disagree with a critical response to a TV show without it being a personal attack on your positivity or that of your post. What are you looking for here? An echo chamber makes for a boring discussion board.

I think it's fair enough to expect writers to understand and respect the media they're working with, and I'd argue that the writing in all those previous shows was leagues more intelligent and considered than the stuff on Kurtzman shows. I get very frustrated at how what was a show about professional and considered officers dealing with clever sci fi scenarios is turned into an action slog "fuck yeah science" show. It's not smart or interesting like that.

EDIT: noticed your post above about the difficulties you're going through. We can disagree about a telly show and still respect each other, I don't think discussion spaces like this might be healthy if you're struggling with positivity. It's totally okay to like the new trek shows and there's nothing wrong with wanting to be positive.

Hard disagree, new star trek has had years to "settle in" and has shown almost no signs of improving on the things that make it poor quality - namely low effort pandering writing and a lack of respect for its audience. Alex Kurtzman and the executives are the problem, and they're not going anywhere soon.