BlitzoTheOisSilent

The goal was always 1.5°C as long as I've been alive, and we aren't hitting it. In fact, we're not even on track to hit the 2°C.

The goal posts didn't move, buddy, we just already kicked the ball into the stands, and you're screaming that we can still win. Sorry, we lost, but at least we made the obscenely wealthy even wealthier in the meantime.

Oh, and all of the things I'm bringing up, those "shifting goalposts," are the things I was talking about us not understanding and rapidly building on top of each other year over year. You only keep talking about emissions: ok, cool, they're important, but they're not all that's involved, and even then, we're still** not hitting our own goals, so we deserve a pat on the back and a cake?

And while we're at it, how are the millions of people in America alone who can't afford a $400 car repair going to afford a $30k+ electric vehicle? Or are we going to overhaul our entire public transportation system overnight so people don't need to rely on cars at all? But then what about all the old ICE vehicles thrown in junkyards, leaching chemicals into the ground?

What about the Ogalala Aquifer and how we're pumping the water out of it way too quickly for it to naturally replenish? Y'know, the aquifer that essentially waters our entire crop growing landmass in the Midwest. We know pumping all of this groundwater out of the ground out in places like Nevada, Arizona, etc is terrible, yet I don't see any politicians banning the practice at the local, state, or federal level. What are emissions going to do about that, and what, are we just gonna pump the water back in to the underground aquifers that took millennia to naturally form?

How are emissions going to stop the soil erosion we've witnessed since the Dust Bowl? What emissions and electric car policies are stopping the growing of monoculture crops that need too much water to be grown where they are? How are fractionally dropping emissions going to reduce the use of fertilizers to grow the same crop over and over in the same place, not giving the soil time to naturally replenish, and further running freshwater supplies with pesticide runoff? Explain to me what laws regarding emissions and electric cars are going to address that?

While we're on the topic of food, who's ready to have the conversation about how you should only be able to buy and eat food that can be grown locally to your region? It is not environmentally responsible or sustainable, especially with current metrics, to ship millions of tons of food stuffs all over the globe, and this isn't even me trying to be a smartass: you should not be able to buy avocados in Minnesota, you shouldn't be able to buy chocolate in the Netherlands, etc. It's not sustainable, and the ships we use to move them are burning millions of tons of CO2 per trip.

Have you taken into account any of the economic factors of what it will take to upgrade our grid to handle that? Or to even get our infrastructure to be more energy efficient in general? Not our driving infrastructure, our actual buildings and dwellings, what's the plan there to make all of the dwellings in the US more energy efficient?

It's not just emissions, my man, there are millions of moving parts all feeding into each other in different ways, made even more complicated by our global interconnectedness and vastly varying priorities. But the goalposts never moved, we just didn't realize there were more of them than we initially thought, and focusing on one or two metrics that we're not even close to meeting, while also continuing to not also address anything else... Gore was our last shot, and it was robbed from us.

But he won't.

What is this crap? EVs are all over the place and so is renewable energy. Emmissions are falling. We haven't opened a new coal plant in a generation.

Ok, and how environmentally friendly is it to dig up the minerals to make the batteries, ship them to the plants in massive container ships, process them through polluting means, put them into cars that were also built from resources ripped from the earth using machines billowing CO2, and then shipped across the globe in container ships that pollute more than all cars combined on Earth?

And ok, we haven't opened a coal plant in a generation, maybe in the US. China is still building them, as are a good chunk of the world. In fact, the IEA estimates to China's use of coal will be up about 6% total from 2023, while India's is an increase of 10% of coal use. They estimate global coal use will be down next year, 2025, the first time since 2016, and it's estimated to drop 0.3%.

Ok? It's bad and we're working to fix it. That's very different than "we're all doomed and should stop doing anything".

Do you understand how biodiversity works? You can't just run a population down to a handful of that species, and then they'll make a comeback as if nothing ever happened. There is not enough genetic diversity for a healthy and sustainable population to grow and repair itself from that. 69% of all life on earth has been wiped out, bud, we're not fixing that.

https://unfccc.int/process-and-meetings/the-paris-agreement

Lmfao, "a legally binding international agreement," yeah, ok. That's why a single President unilaterally removed us from the agreement, right? Because it's legally binding? And that's why all of these countries are taking it seriously and making huge efforts to reduce global emissions, right? They've only had since adopting them in 2015/2016 to start making progress, almost a decade, and... Omg... Omg you're right!!! We're doing it!!!

Just kidding, from September 2024:

None of the larger, industrialized countries or the European Union as a whole are currently on track to meet the 2° Celsius goal. African nations Nigeria, Ethiopia, Morocco and Kenya as well as Costa Rica and Nepal are named by the Climate Action Tracker to be on track to meet the 1.5° Celsius goal using a fair share approach, while Norway is predicted to meet the 2° Celsius goal. The website analyzed the climate policies of 35 countries and the EU.

Wow, so the countries that are supposed to be leading the charge aren't even on track to stop 2°C temperature rise, nevermind the 1.5°C we're supposed to be aiming for.

But we've got more electric cars, and we're still consuming and ordering things from across the globe, so it'll probably all work out if we just believe hard enough.

Edit: Switching to electric cars doesn't prevent the pollution of microplastics from tires, btw, another massive part of climate change everyone seems to just be covering their eyes and pretending they can't see. We found microplastics in the clouds, ffs, nevermind in our own blood and bodies.

Nor do electric cars stop the glaciers that have already retreated way further than they should from retreating further. Where's all that methane gas, y'know, the more potent greenhouse gas than CO2, remind me, where is all that methane that was trapped in the ice going? Oh, right, it's feeding into the climate cycle, making things rapidly worse while we twiddle our thumbs and tell ourselves science will fix this for us, nothing else needs to be done.

Lol, sorry buddy, not something I can just... Do. There's gotta be context/history/etc, lol, they've gotta earn it.

THIS is the grifter bullshit. "Don't bother acting, it's too late". Fossil fuel doomer propaganda.

That's not what I said, I said it's too late, we missed the exit. Fossil fuel companies hid the research for decades, and I've heard nothing my entire life except how we need to act and change the ways we live and interact with the world.

I'm almost 30, and our dependency on fossil fuels hasn't changed, I've yet to see a meaningful societal shift away from the consumerism that drives the majority of climate change.

And ok, we keep driving emissions down, what about biodiversity loss across the planet? How many plants and animals are currently on the brink of extinction?

Let's bring up developing countries, who are increasing their use of fossil fuels. Where is the international agreement to help modernize these countries with renewable energies? Who's going to pay for it? We can't get the countries of the world to agree we've overfished the oceans and they're on the brink of collapse, where's the international agreement to reverse that?

I would argue I'm giving people a pessimistic reality of the future, sure, but at least it's based in the current reality. Climate change extends far beyond the overall global temperature, and I'm sure climate and environmental scientists will be the first to say that there are a lot of pieces and variables we don't fully understand, or haven't even accounted for, because that's just how science works.

The effort isn't enough, and that's the problem. U.S. emissions dropped 2.7% from 2023, that's great, but that still means we pumped 4.8 billion tonnes of CO2 into the atmosphere (I don't remember the exact phrasing your article used).

We're still pumping too much in, and not taking any out, and we're already hitting limits we needed to avoid. And based on that recent AMOC collapse report that came out, a lot of these climate models weren't even taking that into account, so I highly doubt we see a reverse of course on climate change as it continues to expound on itself year over year.

The WWF reported a 69% average decline in all animal species populations on the planet since 1970.

We missed the exit, everything until the cliff is grifters trying to set themselves up for the inevitable collapse at your expense.

I have, and even told you I hope she continues to follow her progressive voting record and prove me wrong.

But based on her campaign, I don't understand why you're all acting like she's a hugely progressive candidate. She's just not, I'm sorry, but she's not.

I didn't come back to Lemmy for five hours, and you and the other person both basically said the same thing. So you both got a combined answer of your comments.

Glad you've resorted to insults when all I've done is give you what Harris is showing us and saying to us. But yep, someone challenged your position, and instead of acknowledging that it may not be as steady as you initially thought, you accuse them of being a bot, and then insult them.

This is exactly what I was pointing out, dude. You asked how there was a debate, I showed you the debate from the perspective who may be having it themselves (I'm not Palestinian, btw, I'm a white trans veteran, so I don't need a lecture on fascism or any of your moral grandstanding, thank you).

Your response is to immediately dismiss all of it.

Have you even been watching the news these last eight years?

Have you been following the voiced and vocal outcry from the Arab community via their protest vote movement? Or any other actions taken to silence the voices of anyone who tries to publicly bring attention to the Palestinian Genocide? Actions taken against them during a Democrat presidential administration on both college campuses and public and private forums?

This is clearly something that is very important to people, and you're doing exactly what I pointed out:

Condescending to me as if I don't understand the two options, while refusing to understand why this demographic may not want to vote for a party that's demanding their vote while giving them the middle finger.

I'm not attacking you, and I'm voting Harris, and will continue to encourage others to do so as well. But to act like "tRuMp BaD FaScIsM" is enough for the Democrats to keep riding on is delusional. If our issues don't matter, what difference does it make what form of government fucks us over?

"We have more important things to worry about than your concerns, so stfu and vote for our people so we can go back to ignoring your concerns."

That's more or less what you're saying here, and what the Democrat Party has been saying this entire election cycle. Anyone who is having conflicting feelings, regardless of where they may be coming from, is insulted, condescended to, or outright attacked because... They have concerns they want addressed?

Explain to me how that is unreasonable? And if it is unreasonable, I would then ask, why should they care about what you want? I pointed out on another thread, but if both parties are going to ignore you and kill your friends/family, and the only thing the people you thought were supposed to be allies will say to you is "Get the fuck over it, it's not important enough, etc...."

Well, put yourself in their shoes, and ask yourself why the fuck you would care what happens then? If your family is going to be genocided either way, and one party is going to be worse, but the end result is the same... Why do you care? Your allies don't care, so why should you?

The Republican party may be a party filled with hate, racism, misogyny, facism, and every type of cultural phobia there is, but they at least support each other. The Democrats are condescending and entitled, particularly towards their own constituents. Then they wonder why they always lose.

And I give Harris credit, to be clear, for coming out and saying there will be contingencies on weapons shipments to Israel should she win, and I hope she carries through on that (even if it's just political showmanship). But if she loses, I will have zero kid gloves or sympathy towards anyone who didn't think Palestine was important enough.

When people show you who they are, believe them, and the fact that Harris: won't commit to stopping arms sales to Israel, just had Bill Clinton tell a crowd of Muslim and Arab Americans that Israel has to kill civilians because of Hamas, and rejected pro-Palestinian group's requests to have Palestinian-American speakers at the DNC...

Sure seems the Democrats don't like Muslims/Arabs much when you look at it from their perspective.

Texas isn't landlocked, though, they have a decent sized coast along the Gulf of Mexico.

Other than that... No notes. 👍

Idk if I have ADHD, but I have been diagnosed with depression, and I've said this almost verbatim to my therapist several times over the years, including yesterday:

Life is too overwhelming and I'm always burnt-out. Every single day. Even if I'm doing absolutely nothing, I'm tired all the time and never have any motivation ever.

I'm depressed and miserable because society is set up in a way that my brain just doesn't work with. I've dropped out of college twice, and my work history is like a hopscotch board of different employers across various industries. I get burnt out at a job (the workload increases too much, the pay is too low, management ruins it, etc), end up quitting to try another industry, usually taking a pay cut because I physically feel like I'm going to explode if I even step foot in the old job again. Spend indefinite amount of time unemployed before taking some other job I'll grow to hate and resent in less than 6 months.

Even my current job, I'm probably going to quit this week because I'm so fed up with life I've called out for basically three weeks straight. It cost me a raise I needed badly, but the whole time my friends are telling me to do what I need to do to take care of my mental health... But now I can't pay my bills, and they've got overdue and overdraft fees because they're late because I'm not making enough to keep up.

And I'm just done, I'm tired of it. I'm put on meds so that I'm not an inconvenience or burden to society, that's it. It doesn't matter if they fix anything or help, just so long as they make it so I can wake up and go to work and make money for the system that is actively leaving me behind. And I'm expected to be nice and pleasant and shit rainbows and sunshine while suffering day in and day out, because the idea of death makes people uncomfortable, because the idea that life isn't working for someone else lile it is for them is just nonsense, it's impossible.

And I fucking hate it.