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Sometimes I wonder about this. No matter how luxurious your bunker is, living there is still going to be a downgrade compared to how we live now.
Why not give a fuck about saving the environment? Not for unwashed masses, but for your kids and grandkids?
Lots of people (awful people) have kids for their own ego rather than because they want to raise happy and healthy offspring. They don't care about the world their children will grow up in.
A conservative estimate is 30% of the population.
It's because of the prisoner's dilemma. It is broadly agreed that everyone would be better off if everyone curbs their emissions, but for any one individual the choice is not so simple. For infividuals, a large reduction to their impact will likely hurt them economically more than it will help them environmentally. This is exactly why a lot of green legislation is driven by global agreements with countries all trying to put pressure on each other to reduce emissions.
Likewise, increasing government investment in green technologies could benefit the economy and the environment, but for any given politician the cost of turning against big oil may be a significant risk to their chances of re-election if not balanced out by a politically motivated and educated populace that is resistant to corporate propaganda. Campaign finance reform would help with this, but once again it's a bigger risk than it's worth to the politicians in power. Thus, we can't simply rely on the self-interest of the wealthy to prevent collapse; we must co-operate and coordinate our efforts to solve the problem.
Psychopathy is a spectrum. It undermines your values, makes you indifferent to normative and empirical reality, and robs you of all compunction, until the only salient feature of life is your own ego.
Many of those you find confusing fall somewhere on that spectrum. Itโs a grim diagnosis, but you can use morally obvious cases to determine how bad things are. Opinions on abortion are a litmus test, as are attitudes towards obviously cruel and unvirtuous people, such as Donald Trump and various other celebrities.
Do you really think opinions on abortion are a litmus test? You can spin either camp as the psychopathic one, after all. I'm on Team Babykill but I don't think everybody against abortion is a psychopath, it's closer to a philosophical issue.
Yes, actually, I do.
Thereโs an academic survey that goes out every few years, and thereโs more consensus among philosophers that abortion is permissible than about literally anything else. Thereโs less agreement that the external world exists.
Being against abortion requires one or more of these assumptions:
Any one of these assumptions is, frankly, insane.
People are irrational, that's hardly news. I appreciate this issue is important to you but that doesn't make them psychopaths. I shouldn't think a psychopath would care much either way, beyond which course of action might benefit them at the time. Again, this is coming from someone who flushed an aborted foetus down the toilet, so I'm really not precious about it.
I shouldn't think a psychopath would care much either way, beyond which course of action might benefit them at the time.
I agree, but the fact that they donโt care is the problem. Abortion might be a means to an end, a way to immiserate a target demographic. Without compunctions and moral impulses, anti-abortion laws, witch-hunting, and racism become viable vehicles for collective punishment and self-gratification.
The Sociopath Next Door is full of case studies from a Harvard psychiatrist specializing in sociopathy. The extremes of the disorder are obviously disturbing, but what happens when the neuropathology is sub-diagnostic?
My interest is in how psychopathy connects to peopleโs epistemic hygiene. That is, the ability, habits, and motivation to correctly construe reality. Think about it. Moral facts are just like any other kinds of fact. Someone with ASPD would be unresponsive or insensitive to moral facts (as you said). But epistemic facts have the same flavor, and pathological lying is symptomatic of psychopathy.
What has to go wrong in a brain for a person to lose concern about misconstruing or misrepresenting reality?
What has to go "right", though? I think that presupposes an idealised state of human development that can be deducted from. I'm not sure what the neutral form is for a human, but those kind of beliefs are so common I wonder if the pathology is baked-in, so to speak.
Plus, some people really do think embryos are people! They get triggered by abortion as if you killed their dog in front of them. I happen to think they're wrong, but the urge to anthropomorphise things is very strong, and there's at least some logic behind their belief.
I think that presupposes an idealised [sic] state of human development that can be deducted from.
If you donโt think that mental illness exists, then thereโs no point having this conversation.
Plus, some people really do think embryos are people!
Yes, and some are flat-earthers (truly) and Trump supporters, and some compulsively eat dirt. Thatโs kind of the point. Insanity is strange and we want to understand it better.
I'm English, that's how I spell it. You've outed yourself as a bit of a twat, so I'm going to leave it there.
Really interesting view here, thank you.
Looking at the groups of people that are so hard for me to understand (MAGA, KKK, flat-earthers, etc.) because of how ridiculous their worldviews are, as some sort of psychopathic mental illness on a scale from sort of psychopathic, to full-blown psychopath makes alot of weird sense. Kind of disturbing and comforting to me at the same time.
makes alot of weird sense
it really does not (specifically putting flat-earthers together with the other two groups). maybe don't take psychiatry lessons from two paragraph lessons by author with unknown qualification on the internet ๐
That is not how this works at all. There isn't an actual medical diagnosis called psychopath. The closest we have is ASPD. I am fairly sure people with ASPD don't have as much difficulty with empirical reality as you are talking about. Delusions are more of a psychosis thing.
I also don't think it's fair to judge someone on an issue like abortion when entire religions shove the idea that abortion is wrong down your throat even when being a child. The indoctrination is strong. Stop blaming the victims here.
Here's an actual in-depth answer in the form of a philosophical essay article about the Greek concept of "amathia", roughly translated as "willfull ignorance."
https://howtobeastoic.wordpress.com/2016/01/19/one-crucial-word/
That kid is going to be extra grateful when his dad explains how much money he helped make the shareholders.
It's funny cause no he didn't
It's bottle caps.
That's dark. I feel sad now, also very glad I don't have, or want, children.
Hereโs another dark comic about children to cheer you up
Jesus christ I don't need this gut punch and flashback, I'm going back to bed.
Is the implication that he can't afford food or something?
Yeah - if I recall correctly, it was originally with a newspaper article about living cost crisis here in the UK
If we want humanity to have any kind of future then we need more children not raised by cunts.
We are 8 billion people on this planet. There are enough humans already.
Bunch of bottle caps
What a great dad, he still even has his nose!
I don't think running out of O2 is in the cards. Poisoning ourselves in other ways sure. Turning land into desert also sure.
running out of o2 might not be, but having that o2 mixed with some fucking poison definitely is...
Yes, but you wouldn't carry around an O2 canister necessarily, rather some kind of air filter I would imagine. I think we are a long way off making the air unbreathable though.
it is a comic pointing to a problem. don't over-analyze it.
personally, i like this one better, but ultimately they both point to same issue.
he seems like a pretty good father considering he is sacrificing his only source of oxygen so that his son can live.
Why does pop not wear oxygen?
Probably an anti-masker
Because he's dead
Pretty accurate except for the giving money part.
lol right? They just need to hold onto it a couple more years until the "youth" really need it and are ready for it.
That's been the response of my parents and those around me of people I know except for my Mother who just stole mine and said "So what? I need it more and money is all you think about."
Greedy fuckers as far as the eye can see.
Very cash money poggers of you father
Way ahead of you. I'm poor and without oxygen at the same time.
less time suffering is equal to winning in my book