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[–] scroll_responsibly@lemmy.sdf.org 203 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It's technically not a visa but an electronic travel authorization much like the US and Canada have.

[–] what_is_a_name@lemmy.world 78 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I love Americans freaking out about being subjected to the same shit they force all others to go through.

Americans have no idea how border checks work. Remember that next time they share opinions about immigration.

[–] Hildegarde@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I know how boarder checks work. And I know that the schengen area has the best border crossings.

I want more schengen. The US and Canada should make their own north american schengen area, it will cut down on so much unnecessary government expenditure.

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[–] Overzeetop@kbin.social 72 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Exactly - the title and the article is incorrect. Americans will still be afforded a visa-on-arrival for tourism and other approved short term stays. Additionally, the authorization is valid for three years and can be used for multiple stays within the EEA. I believe the UK is also implementing an ETA (edit, maybe I got the acronym right this time), but I think it is only valid for two years at a time.

In a way it's silly, but it also reduces that chance of a disruption/entry denial at the entry point to the Area.

[–] Screeslope@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

I think a key benefit here is that the pre-registration allows for faster processing at the border itself, cutting down on queues at the airport. Singapore runs a system where after preregistration you can just walk through an automated (though somewhat finicky) scanner. No queues after arrival, I basically stepped off the international flight and went straight to the city with barely a wait.

[–] Ooops@feddit.de 96 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Because "including Spain, France and Greece" is a rather lacking description for 30 European countries:

Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland

[–] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 33 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Maybe they're selected because they're the most popular destinations? (Nor sure if that true, but it would make sense)

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[–] nomadjoanne@lemmy.world 73 points 1 year ago (6 children)

No. They'll need to fill out a form online before they go. Europe is only requiring this because the US has forced similar bullshit on Europeans for years cos "terrorism".

[–] steltek@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Even domestically, Americans hate this crap. No one likes the TSA. No one thinks they do a goddamned thing. It's a massive invasion of privacy and a huge waste of money. And then we have this "Real ID" thing looming over us just to get on an airplane (again, for a domestic flight only).

You'd think we could unite against such a simple common enemy but apparently no one has the time. I guess politicians are worried about a sudden glut of unemployed TSA workers who's only job skills are identifying the water bottle I forgot in my bag.

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[–] eusousuperior@lemmy.world 69 points 1 year ago

Well we've been paying the ESTA electronic visa for years now every time we've wanted to visit the US. It's fair game to require the same

[–] FailBait@lemmy.world 56 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Saw people freaking out on FB about this and how “I guess Europe doesn’t want tourism!” I don’t think $8 is going to be a barrier for entry on a $1000 flight…

[–] local_taxi_fix@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Also people saying "Europe is charging Americans a fee to enter" when really they're charging all non-Europeans. Typical American conservative self-victimization.

[–] Chainweasel@lemmy.world 51 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

$8, don't break the bank on this one folks.

[–] EyesEyesBaby@lemmy.world 61 points 1 year ago (5 children)

The visa, which will cost about $8, is similar to the one that European tourists are required to get when traveling to the U.S., which costs $21.

That's quite the difference.

[–] makr_alland@lemmy.world 61 points 1 year ago

It's the same, but in the US you have to add the sales tax ($2) and then tip at least 110%. That brings the total to $21.

[–] 15liam20@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Is that $21 or $21 plus some random tax when you get to the till because fuck you?

[–] Chainweasel@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Not the price of the visa, but the visa itself is similar to the ones that Europeans have had to get for a long time.

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[–] outdated_belated@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Presumably the devil is in the hassle entailed in acquiring it, rather than the monetary price. ie a cost of time and effort rather than money

Edit: also the entailed risk of not being approved, lack of transparency for any denials, etc

[–] burningmatches@feddit.uk 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The risk of not being approved isn’t changing. The difference is that you can now find out before you buy a plane ticket and arrive in the EU.

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[–] twitterfluechtling@lemmy.pathoris.de 50 points 1 year ago (5 children)
  1. It's not a visa but an ESTA. The visa is still granted on the fly on entry.
  2. The U.S. require the same the other way around, only the one granted by the EU is $10 cheaper and valid for 3 years instead of 2, so still U.S. citizens get an advantage
  3. EU citizens (like all other non-immigrants) have to, as far as I understand, disclose all their social media accounts when applying for a US visa

Sources for (3):

For VISA applications, https://travel.state.gov/content/dam/visas/Enhanced%20Vetting/CA%20-%20FAQs%20on%20Social%20Media%20Collection%20-%206-4-2019%20(v.2).pdf should apply.

What if applicants participate in multiple online platforms? Are they being asked to list all of their handles, or only one?

Applicants must provide all identifiers used for all listed platforms.

I reached that document via https://www.ustraveldocs.com/de/de-gen-faq.asp#qlistgen21 ("Apply for a U.S. Visa in Germany") and didn't find any hint for exemptions for German citizens or E U citizens, so I assume it applies. (But I might still be wrong.)

[–] Syldon@feddit.uk 20 points 1 year ago

Simply wow, this one is new to me. Guess I would never go to the US again.

[–] krolden@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Does my pornhub account qualify as social media?

[–] Daze@feddit.de 13 points 1 year ago

Depends on what you're watching, I guess. Imo, gangbang should count as social media while masturbation probably doesn't.

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[–] yaycupcake@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 1 year ago

Genuine question, how the heck do people who have a ton of social media accounts (some for a business, some for different topics, some they haven't used in ages and maybe forgot about or lost the login for) actually list them all? If it were me, depending on the platforms required, I don't even know where I'd begin. I very well might genuinely forget one I made 3 years ago, used for a month, and abandoned.

[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

What if I don't disclose my social media accounts? How are they going to know? It feels like to me like more surveillance they're attempting to do.

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[–] willow@discuss.tchncs.de 46 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The visa, which will cost about $8, is similar to the one that European tourists are required to get when traveling to the U.S., which costs $21.

A very typical tit-for-tat.

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[–] ukuku@feddit.cl 44 points 1 year ago

*Everyone from a visa free country will need an electronic authorization, not just US-Americans

[–] DacoTaco@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wait, this wasnt the case yet?!

[–] sagrotan@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Yeah, that scratches the inflated image of the US citizens. But why...idk

[–] Ecology8622@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

I'm guessing because of migration. More USA citizens want to leave the US and overstay in the EU. This way its a bit more tedious and easier to track.

[–] BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social 16 points 1 year ago

It's just part of a larger expansion of a program that simply happens to include Americans. I really don't think they care about us that much; we're not that special.

[–] krische@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Seems like it's more so covering the costs of doing automated background checks or something like that. Like making sure you aren't on any bad lists so they can prevent you from arriving instead of having to deal with you when you're already there.

It's not technically a visa, Americans are still granted that upon arrival it seems.

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[–] FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

TIL: Americans didn't need a visa before

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