Since that article says virtually nothing... does Israel accept that proposal? Otherwise, this hardly matters.
this post was submitted on 06 May 2024
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They're refusing the proposal, and they believe that the only reason the proposal was offered was to make Israel look bad by ...forcing them to refuse the proposal? As if a good faith effort to collaborate with two other powers in the region for a mutually beneficial ceasefire is an insult to them? As if Israel needs any help looking like the bad guys in this conflict?
It's unlikely that the details will be known before an agreement is reached.
But to your point, what really matters is whether the USA will force Israel to accept the proposal, or if the Israeli population protests harder against Netanyahu (but that's unlikely to reach the required mass).
Netanyahu wants the war to continue and will not accept any deal, unless his hand is forced.
Anyway, Israel was telling people to flee Rafah. My local news says they are probably doing that to pressure Hamas by panicking the Gazan population.
So, no, I don't think Israel will accept the deal.
Since that article says virtually nothing… does Israel accept that proposal?
My understanding is this just happened, and Israel has not had a chance to respond to it yet.
Otherwise, this hardly matters.
Actually, it matters a lot, as Israel was just about to invade Rafah.
Wheels within wheels, games within games, moves and counter moves.
It's certainly to be hoped, but given the Israeli mobilization in the last 24 hours or so, I'm not holding my breath.
It doesn't matter because if Israel doesn't accept it, the war will continue as if it didn't happen.
It is still a show of good faith and progress. Egypt and Qatar would not put forward a deal that didn't at least have a reasonable point of negotiation. So far this is the first I've heard about Hama's making a serious ceasefire proposal.
It doesn’t matter because if Israel doesn’t accept it, the war will continue as if it didn’t happen.
Well, I didn't say it would be effective or not, just that it matters in the moment, it's a focal point.
That's what I meant by "Wheels within Wheels". The political chess game that is played after each move. It's not something to be simply ignored.
Actually, it matters a lot, as Israel was just about to invade Rafah.
Someone hasn't been paying attention to what Netanyahu is saying..
Someone hasn’t been paying attention to what Netanyahu is saying…
He's on the news every day. Kind of hard not to.
In that case you should know that he's repeatedly said that they're going to invade Rafah regardless of any cease fire, it's just a matter of time.
In that case you should know that he’s repeatedly said that they’re going to invade Rafah regardless of any cease fire, it’s just a matter of time.
Last I heard they were already starting to do that.
And would do so regardless, which makes any cease fire worthless until they change their mind and stop.
And would do so regardless, which makes any cease fire worthless until they change their mind and stop.
Twelve hours later, a lot can change.
The point right now is determining what the sticking points are and why. This may not matter to Israel, but it does matter to the larger international community including the USA.
Israel has benefited in this conflict by having good enough diplomatic support to prevent a major escalation in the region. However, it is going to be a lot harder for countries like Egypt and Jordan to continue supporting Israeli security in the region as the counterattack looks more like a genocide. The issue is even becoming a pain point for Biden, who needs this issue to go away before the election.
I don't see Israel changing its mind because of this, but I see the other countries in the region doing so.
They did not
Why are you so cynically dismissive of breaking news that one side of a war would be willing to accept a ceasefire proposal? It matters a lot.
I would say both sides have to accept for it to matter. Because that's how ceasefires work.
Both sides need to agree for a ceasefire to work, but that doesn't mean it doesn't matter.
I think a ceasefire is going to require Hamas ceding any claim to power over Gaza, I don't see Netanyahu going for anything less. His reign is over the moment the war stops and likely both sides will be facing criminal courts, so I think Hamas is going to have to take the lesser end of the stick in any deal.
Its now just a question of which side gets what for their people before stepping down.
An Israeli official said no ceasefire had been agreed in Gaza, after Hamas said it had accepted a proposal from Egyptian and Qatari mediators over the Israel-Gaza conflict.
The Israeli official said the proposal that Hamas had accepted was a "softened" version of an Egyptian proposal, which included "far-reaching" conclusions that Israel could not accept.
"This would appear to be a ruse intended to make Israel look like the side refusing a deal," said the Israeli official, who spoke on condition of anonymity.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/rafah-live-gazans-start-leaving-parts-southern-city-israel-warns-operation-2024-05-06/
The far reaching parts of the proposal involve steps to actually break the cycle and ultimately get to a two state solution. Israel doesn't actually want a real two state solution, so of course they're going to reject it.
Yes I too often accept decisions i myself make
The article is pretty devoid of any information. I get what you mean, but can you explain how you got to this conclusion?
Well Hamas isn’t in the greatest position to drag the conflict out
But I don’t see why it matters
They came up with the agreement themselves among their allies ?