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New documents show oil executives promoted natural gas as green — but knew it wasn’t | It's the first evidence of an oil company acknowledging that gas wasn't as climate-friendly as promised. (grist.org)

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[–] Lemonparty@lemm.ee 31 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Not that long ago, I got downvoted to hell (by shills) for pointing out that oil companies latched on to the term "natural" and paired it with "clean burning" and then deliberately obfuscated the fact that natural gas is methane. There is nothing clean about it, it is burning methane.

So for anyone that doesn't know, natural gas is methane and oil companies have ALWAYS known it's terrible to burn and worse to drill for because it leaks directly to the atmosphere where it's significantly worse than CO2.

[–] rayyy@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago

Natural gas fracking pushes pollutants into the underground water system too.

[–] admiralteal@kbin.social 9 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Even without accidental site leaks, the infrastructure itself leaks terribly. Residential fossil gas systems are constantly venting tiny amounts of methane from throughout the system, with occasional major issues that can go days or weeks without notice until a sniffer van or something like it catches it. This happened at my house just recently -- my gas was fully capped off the week I moved in, but a guy showed up now several years later from the utility and said he was there for a detected leak and he had to remove the meter and re-cap everything. The whole time trying to convince me that gas stoves are better than my undeniably-superior induction one.

For all I know it was venting at a decent clip this whole time. Nothing I could really do about it. It's not like I was checking the meter what with my no service, and as far as the guy could tell the leak was from before the meter anyway.

And it'll get worse as the systems are used less. A smaller subscriber base means these companies will inevitably cut repair and maintenance budgets, leading to more leaks. More methane. The only safe and sensible thing to to have public takeovers on them and then immediately start working to decommission.

[–] Maeve@kbin.social 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I'm wondering about all the campers and RVs that are propane reliant, and heating around the globe that is propane reliant. I guess occupants of dwellings will largely be left to sort things, without much financial aid incentives.

[–] admiralteal@kbin.social 4 points 6 months ago

Propane's a different thing. It's just trading in bottles. Those bottles will keep being available for a long time and are, frankly, not a major emissions source. Still one we should get rid of, but it's not a low-hanging fruit. Propane is also still one of the more climate-friendly refrigerants, so it's definitely sticking around.

As far as people in situations like that relying on fossil gas distribution infrastructure... one way or another they're going to be left holding the bag.

Electrified appliances are almost universally better for consumers both in quality and economics. Electrification and gas-free new construction will keep happening. Keep accelerating.

The infrastructure of gas is already built. It costs a lot to maintain it even as poorly as they do. As fewer ratepayers are using the system, the remaining ratepayers have to pay a larger and larger share of that cost -- making the gas even more expensive and an even worse choice for consumers. Inevitably, the poorest folks who cannot afford to replace their appliances but also cannot afford to keep using gas will be left behind. That's the reality of the privatized system we have.

I feel bad for all the people who are going to get fucked, especially since for many it was bogus that they were saddled with fossil gas in the first place (e.g., bribes to builders/subdevelopment managers).

[–] littlebluespark@lemmy.world 12 points 6 months ago

Is the first evidence

Fuck it was. 🤬 We all knew. Thafuq. 🖕🏼

[–] Maeve@kbin.social 7 points 6 months ago

The rest of us knew from the jump. Don't let our governments try to claim they didn't.

[–] Pilgrim@beehaw.org 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

We need to just stop digging stuff out of the ground and burning it for energy. Until that fundamental realization sets in, we're stuck with an increasingly worsening climate crisis.

[–] Maeve@kbin.social 1 points 6 months ago

Only until we reach, for lack of a better term, event horizon. So not too long, now.

[–] zer0squar3d@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 6 months ago

Anything promoted as clean "insert fossil fuel name here" is never clean.

[–] ryannathans@aussie.zone 5 points 6 months ago

A high school student could tell you what's released when it's burnt. Of course they knew lol

[–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 3 points 6 months ago

Such a revelation! But yeah, we all know.