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[–] lemmyng@lemmy.ca 23 points 6 months ago

Not sure about erasing all of it, but it is (or was) certainly possible to delete enough of it to brick a motherboard https://www.phoronix.com/news/UEFI-rm-root-directory

[–] mvirts@lemmy.world 17 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Pretty sure you can brick your system real quick using efivarfs

https://docs.kernel.org/filesystems/efivarfs.html

some systems dont let you write but some do.

Theres a similar system i was messing with to read and write the firmware code... reading through this may be informative.

efivars should let your change any bios/uefi settings if thats what youre looking for.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 5 points 6 months ago

Modern versions of Linux don't let you erase it so easily

[–] zaknenou@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

thank you! I think this is what needed to explore
It is not my level to edit these things, I'm just Linux newbie exploring the possibilities.

But I still can't wrap my head over dd not being able to wipe a storage device out, despite being described as a "low level tool that can write zeroes to targets" in the discussion I viewed online.

[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 9 points 6 months ago

The bios isn't like a regular storage device presented to the kernel for mounting.

[–] bloodfart@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Dd can’t overwrite a burned cdr either. If the thing you wanna mess with is read only there’s no way to use it as a dd of.

[–] zaknenou@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

but CD-R aren't rewrite_able because of their physical property not because protected

[–] bloodfart@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 months ago

that's true, but in both cases the ability to write data simply isn't there.

[–] Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 16 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It resides on the MB itself in a separate chip, so no, although there are probably tools to make it possible.

[–] zaknenou@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)

what about this answer ? Is it outdated ? According to it, UEFI could be mounted like a flash drive I understand ?

[–] Bitrot@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)

They should still be possible. It’s not clearing the BIOS though, it is clearing variables loaded into the BIOS. The OS needs to be able to write to them. A good one limits what an OS can write or rebuilds them, a bad one bricks.

[–] zaknenou@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

hmm, so this is not a constant thing among BIOSes and UEFIs

[–] m4@kbin.social 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I'm just curious about what software was used to make this image.

[–] zaknenou@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 6 months ago

I don't know I got it from this post by the ByteByteGo Youtube Channel:
https://www.youtube.com/post/UgkxNpwmgzai2O_tUa-b5yeLzLjh_OHs4vDY
On the description for this video they state:

Animation tools: Adobe Illustrator and After Effects.

[–] boredsquirrel 5 points 6 months ago

Only if your device supports software flashing, likely not.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 4 points 6 months ago

It used to be

[–] VeganCheesecake@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

You can mount the efi partition, but I don't think you can usually mount the uefi or bios. I've only ever edited vbios, and haven't done so in quite some time, but I remember needing to clamp the vbios chip. Dunno if motherboards make their bios chips more accessible, but I kinda doubt it.

Some motherboard support starting bios/uefi updates from a booted OS, so there might be a vector to be found there.

[–] femboy_bird@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 6 months ago

Usually not, but some devices can

[–] MonkderDritte@feddit.de -3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

No, you need efibootmgr to erase your UEFI.