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I just want forums to chat about current events, argue about stupid fandoms, and bicker with internet trolls. Reddit used to be that, and I had hopes for Lemmy, but everything here is choked to death by over moderation that has nothing to do with keeping healthy communities. It's just thinly veiled echo chambers that don't want to admit what their community is about.

This is coming off a ban over disagreeing with vegans calling dietary disagreements the same as racism. The dude literally said different species were similar to humans having different races. I called that 1800s slave owning theory racism if I've ever seen it lmao.

I know people dont care for internet drama, I just wanted to rant. The internet of tomorrow fucking sucks.

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[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 7 points 6 months ago (9 children)

Looking at the modlog, you weren't banned for your views but your combative and rude attitude expressed in numerous comments, breaking the rules about civility.

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[–] JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee 7 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

I disagree with you, but that doesn't mean you should be banned. I hate censorship whoever it's against.

[–] nac82@lemm.ee 7 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

This is what I'm talking about. We should be free to disagree, especially in non safe spaces. It was a fucking news sub, not a vegan space.

If you just ban everybody you disagree with, nobody will ever care about your beliefs.

[–] Anyolduser@lemmynsfw.com 5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Anybody seeing this who's a big Lemmy booster/advocate pay close attention to OP.

Lemmy's problem isn't the software, or the servers, or even a lack of content. The thing holding Lemmy back is the people.

Power tripping mods and just fucking intolerable users are actively turning off new users from the start. If you want Lemmy to grow, don't tolerate the bad behavior.

[–] nac82@lemm.ee 3 points 6 months ago (9 children)

Yup. Even after spending 4 months blocking the most rancid portions of Lemmy, its still almost unusable because of the moderation and radicalized echo chambers of users.

Example:

Quote of the first line out my mouth yesterday morning to my wife "I fucking hate conservatives" (I had just gotten done reading a bunch of conservatives cheering on the FASCIST police intervention at UT Austin).

Despite that, the conservative instance is one of the best moderated spaces on Lemmy. I go in there and shit talk their beliefs, and they debate me with sources.

Meanwhile I'm banned in multiple news groups for not agreeing implicitly with one of the power mods and banned in others news groups for arguing with racist vegan theory.

This fucking website is devolving into shittier small circus tents. Might as well be clown cars.

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[–] SloppySol@lemm.ee 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Moderating against hate speech can be really difficult nowadays with risk of being sued. Anybody managing a forum or comment board of any kind has got to cover their ass, and censorship grows each day.

Theres definitely a lot more hate online now, though, people hold back a lot less in anger than they do in any other state.

I wish there were more opportunities to be parts of healthy communities. So sick of the, “that’s not what the topic of this community is.” Maybe I’ll try to make my own community, but again…. Moderations both necessary and really hard to do right. Lines to not cross are hard to make, and harder to stick to permanently.

[–] nac82@lemm.ee 4 points 6 months ago

Agreed about moderation being difficult. I get that. I just hate that these communities are going to be choked to death by garbage moderation before this site really gets going.

[–] SteveXVII@pawb.social 3 points 6 months ago (5 children)

Is this the conversation you're talking about?

[–] Blaze@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 6 months ago

Thanks for the context

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[–] shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee 3 points 6 months ago
[–] Servais@dormi.zone 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Hello,

Any examples of communities where it happened? Sometimes you can escalate to the instance admins if the mods are power tripping

[–] nac82@lemm.ee 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It was the news@lemmyworld instance.

I pinged one of the admins but no response.

[–] Servais@dormi.zone 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Good luck with that. There are other news communities such as !globalnews@lemmy.zip, Lemmy.zip tends to have pretty laid back moderation

[–] nac82@lemm.ee 2 points 6 months ago

Thanks for the recommendation. I look forward to participating in groups worth supporting.

[–] ptz@dubvee.org 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (13 children)

As an admin, I can see you just mass downvoting things and just being combative and rude (including targeted downvoting specific users). Perhaps the ego trip and problem lies inward.

[–] Blaze@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Hello,

I wouldn't pay too much attention to OP.

I am the "another moderator interaction" they had today. They wanted to remove their post, but for some reason the removal hasn't been acted yet on my instance, so it's still available here, at least for some time: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/11547421

See you around

[–] nac82@lemm.ee 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Don't worry, I left the key quotes on what was civil vs uncivil according to what you singled out of that thread in another comment.

My deleted post won't prevent them from having access.

This is a great place to highlight, the problematic quote from me was

"Sorry you have bad taste" to a shitposter in a post of mine.

Right here, an admin is saying "I wouldn't pay too much attention to OP".

These both sound like a method of invalidating the input of another person to me.

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[–] jet@hackertalks.com 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

If you open a new community to talk about dietary choices I'll subscribe and even comment there. Let's be the change we want to see

[–] nac82@lemm.ee 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It wasn't a diet community, lmao, it was a news community.

That's what I mean, I disagreed with vegans in a news sub and was banned.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 3 points 6 months ago

No problem. I will subscribe to your new news community, that you can moderate to your own liking. And you will prove that the discussion there is better and it'll grow and defeat the other news communities. I'm happy to help you

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