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[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 40 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

The fact Trump is a viable candidate under any circumstance indicates the USA is already a failed state. The only matter up for debate is how long it circles the drain.

[–] docAvid@midwest.social 2 points 6 months ago

I agree, it is a very bad sign, but the idea that we are either a "failed state" on the way to oblivion, or doing great, and there's nothing in between, is silly. We're a lot better now than we were when only landowners could vote, right? Or before the civil war and the second founding? Or before women gained suffrage? Or in the leadup to our entry in WWII, when it looked like we might just join the Axis powers? Or the nineteen forties, when "separate but equal" was basically unchallenged? Or in the nineteen fifties, when a woman was a housewife or nothing? Or the nineteen nineties, when "don't ask don't tell" was actually considered a victory for LGBTQ+ rights? Or the twenty-aughts when people were noy allowed to marry based on gender? We're trying to decide, right now, if a former president can be tried for crimes - it seems wild that this should even be a question, but when it was Nixon, Johnson pardoned him, and that was it - we might be on the verge of a huge step forward, in even just going ahead with the trial, no matter the outcome. Does all this mean everything is awesome now? Oh, oh, HELLS NO! It's a mess, but it doesn't mean we are a "failed state", it just means we aren't there yet, and we gotta keep struggling.

[–] HubertManne@kbin.social 13 points 6 months ago (3 children)

who are these folks who change their mind week to week?

[–] snack_pack_rodriguez@lemmy.ca 21 points 6 months ago

polling data has be broken since 2019. it's almost like a bunch of old people died that answer their landline home phone from unknown numbers around that time. I wonder what happened? /s

young people just don't answer their phone and polling groups just don't have a good solution to capture data from that group yet.

[–] FlowVoid@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago

They probably aren't changing from Trump to Biden or vice versa. Instead, they are changing back and forth from undecided.

If a Trump voter goes back to undecided and an undecided voter commits to Biden, that's a net movement of one Trump voter to one Biden voter.

[–] morphballganon@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

I suspect they poll different groups of people, who don't change their individual minds often.

[–] anticolonialist@lemmy.world -2 points 6 months ago

So we are trusting polls again?