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[–] ryven@lemmy.dbzer0.com 106 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) said he voted against the reauthorization "because it failed to include the most important requirement to protect Americans' civil rights: that law enforcement get a warrant before targeting a US citizen."

Heartbreaking: The Worst Person You Know Just Made A Great Point

[–] Max_P@lemmy.max-p.me 32 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

because it failed to include the most important requirement to protect Americans' civil rights: that law enforcement get a warrant before targeting a US citizen

So, he wants the government to dig dirt on US residents, but only if they're immigrants or temporary workers.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 21 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, the Constitution protects anyone on American soil, not just citizens.

[–] GiveMemes@jlai.lu 10 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Not since the patriot act.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Talk to the interned Japanese or the community organizers in the Cobbs Creek neighborhood bombed by the Philly PD. It wasn't just starting with the Patriot Act.

The US has a long and storied tradition of claiming "These people don't count" when enumerating civil rights.

[–] moon@lemmy.ml 5 points 6 months ago

Well he would have to be against warrantless searches if his father is the Zodiac killer

[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 60 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (8 children)

Goddamn. What in the fuck is this timeline even. Now we need a THIRD secured device to secure comms between a remote server to stop MITM shit for fucks sake. Time to go deeper I guess.

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[–] OldWoodFrame@lemm.ee 50 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

It's very funny that the workable compromise between "this is important for national security" and "this infringes on basic liberty" is "maybe we just do it for 2 years and see how we feel after that."

[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 6 months ago

It's always permanent. The short time period is just for the sake of getting it voted in.

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[–] doingthestuff@lemmy.world 42 points 6 months ago (14 children)

Everyone hates Rand Paul but he voted no on this, as did others on the left and the right. Fuck fascism and fuck left authoritarianism.

[–] Zorque@kbin.social 27 points 6 months ago (11 children)

Rand Paul votes no on anything that allows the government to do anything. I doubt he even reads the bills.

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[–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 24 points 6 months ago

Neoliberals are conservatives. Always have been. By all international standards, the Democrat party is a conservative party and the Republicans are a more conservative party. We don't currently have a viable left/progressive party.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 19 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

The entirety of the left-of-center in the US is a handfull of progressives, at most.

By international standards Biden is hard-right, Trump is far-right.

This shit is full-on rightwing authoritarianism.

[–] Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works 11 points 6 months ago

What leftist vote for this? And don’t give me that shit about Dems being left.

[–] melpomenesclevage@lemm.ee 11 points 6 months ago (9 children)

there are no left authoritarians in office.

liberals are not leftists. haven't been since 1848.

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Yeah, of my two reps (Utah), the one I dislike more voted no on this (Sen. Mike Lee), and the one I kinda like (Sen. Mitt Romney) voted yes. I'm not sure how to feel about this.

[–] archomrade@midwest.social 4 points 6 months ago

Lmao when Democrats do a bad thing it's left authoritarianism lol

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago

And yet I still hate Rand Paul.

Hitler loved dogs.

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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 40 points 6 months ago (5 children)

Can't wait for people to tell me how this is actually a great thing and we need to cheer for this...

[–] queue@lemmy.blahaj.zone 32 points 6 months ago (2 children)

"But Biden had to sign the Bush era anti-terrorism surveillance state bill! Think of how many of those spies can now be gay or women! REAL Progress is baby steps to where your constitutional rights are violated by minorities and women!!

It's genuinely amazing how we can't push for any bills for raising the federal minimum wage, protecting abortion, protecting queer healthcare, but we can ban wearing hoodies on the senate floor, [passing spying bills on par with China, and then bundling a TikTok ban with aid to Ukraine and Israel.

Sure is great living in a democracy. Where there's only one "valid" option, and he still sucks shit.

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[–] nekoeth0@lemmy.world 34 points 6 months ago (1 children)

You think the government would ever get rid of powers like these? Of course not!

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 16 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Joe Biden, while loading a very large gun: "It would be terrible if Donald Trump ever got his hands on this."

Donald Trump, having loaded that same gun 4 years ago: "We have to retake the White House from this far-left communist maniac, because he's going to use that very large gun against White People!"

What a fucking racket.

[–] warmaster@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago

People think about Red vs. Blue, but the world is ruled by Purple.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 33 points 6 months ago

Spying on the American people is a bipartisan issue.

If you want to change that, you'll need more than votes.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 31 points 6 months ago (2 children)

There's an exception to the rule that prohibits spying on religious groups.

Who wants to start an anti-surveillance religion?

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 14 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

I don't think that'll save you.

https://peoplesworld.org/article/hearings-lawsuit-slam-bush-spying-defense/

NBC News obtained a secret 400-page Pentagon document that listed the Truth Project as a “credible threat” to national security. The Pentagon sent an agent to spy on the group’s first meeting at the Quaker Meeting House in Lake Worth in 2004, one of almost four dozen similar meetings nationwide infiltrated on Bush-Cheney orders.

The report revealed that the Defense Department spy operation kept tabs on 1,500 “suspicious incidents” such as distribution of antiwar leaflets at high schools, peace vigils and town hall meetings.

Eight people are active in the Truth Project, Hersh said, including Quakers, a 79-year-old grandmother and Hersh himself, partially disabled by a nerve disease that often confines him to a wheelchair.

Hersh added with a chuckle, “Yes, I guess we are a ‘credible threat.’ The truth is always a threat to those who are lying. We are always a threat to illegitimate and unjust powers.”

[–] Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 6 months ago

SLAMMIN back in ‘06!

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 5 points 6 months ago

Something like the Tuareg idea of Islam, where you are obligated to kill anyone who eavesdropped on you?

Oh yeah

[–] hark@lemmy.world 28 points 6 months ago (2 children)

So it seems that there are indeed issues where "both sides" agree.

[–] pressanykeynow@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago

From the outsider perspective those aren't sides but teams going to the same goal with slightly different tactics.

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[–] phoneymouse@lemmy.world 26 points 6 months ago (3 children)

How is this even constitutional. Does the 4th amendment even exist?

[–] bigkahuna1986@lemmy.ml 24 points 6 months ago

Only if you're rich enough.

[–] Car@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 6 months ago (2 children)

The government is defining this to be reasonable search. Crisis averted! Please scan your iris on the way out of this thread.

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[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 15 points 6 months ago

Dang it, one of my senators voted for this nonsense.

[–] SitD@feddit.de 14 points 6 months ago (3 children)

the land of the safe ☺️

[–] ZMonster@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago

And the free of the brave 🫡

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[–] nexguy@lemmy.world 13 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Non-sensationalized summary from the article:

Although Section 702 authorizes electronic surveillance of non-US people overseas, the official summary of the reauthorization bill notes that "information about US persons may incidentally be acquired by this type of surveillance and subsequently searched or 'queried' under certain circumstances.”

The reauthorization bill imposes some new limits on data collection. For example, FBI personnel must obtain prior approval from an FBI supervisor or attorney before making queries about US people. But this provision has an exception allowing such queries without prior approval if "the query could assist in mitigating or eliminating a threat to life or serious bodily harm."

There are also some new limits on queries involving elected US officials, political candidates, political organizations, media organizations, journalists, and religious groups. There is a prohibition on "the involvement of political appointees in the approval process for such politically sensitive query requests," and a requirement that the FBI director "establish consequences for noncompliant querying of US person terms, including zero tolerance for willful misconduct.”

[–] GluWu@lemm.ee 9 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Zero tolerance you say?

the FBI had a 96% compliance rate for FISA queries, a 14% improvement from OIA’s first baseline audit

Can't wait for those 4% of queries to be prosecuted. I hope we can get better though. I only want 2% of what the FBI requests to be illegal.

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[–] masterofn001@lemmy.ca 8 points 6 months ago

ExcludeNodes {US}

[–] jdeath@lemm.ee 6 points 6 months ago

APAB. Fucking bullshit!

[–] altima_neo@lemmy.zip 6 points 6 months ago

Well at least my rep was trying to fight against that shit.

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