Should have happened 6 months ago
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100% I hate the fact that we're funneling money I'm anti-war but the alternative is definitely much worse. If we don't support Ukraine, Russia gains power and a free pass to invade whoever the hell they want. If we don't support Israel we leave a power vacuum and The power influence of the US gets replaced by either Russia or China. No good options anyehere.
Obviously, supporting Israel is also supporting genocide. It's a classic catch-22.
I'm so glad I'm not the president! He gets to choose between eating a shit sandwich, and eating shit gumbo.
At least Ukraine has a pretty righteous cause. So there's that...
You don't have to say you're anti-war before saying you support supplying Ukraine. Giving Ukraine the means to defend themselves from warmongering is a form of being anti-war.
I found on the internet it helps to be explicit because nuance is difficult for some.
There's always, always money for more war.
Because the only one who wins in a war is the military industrial complex, and they have fantastic lobbyists!
If someone invaded your country and started murdering people you'd want to win the war.
What I'm saying is even the victors suffer the loss of many deaths thus the only winners are the military industrial complex supplying the arms and becoming enriched. Does that make more sense?
Слава Україні!
Solzhenitsyn said that there's nothing worse for a country than to win a big war. This is filtered a little through my own perception, but the best I remember it was that winning a war teaches the lesson that all the maniacs were right and gives them all kinds of confidence to let them do more of the same, which never ends well at home or abroad. He said that usually if a country loses a big war, it comes out of it with some wisdom, and regards any maniacs at home or abroad with deep visceral suspicion from then on, which is as it should be.
Yes fair enough
You're not wrong.
It makes me sad that they're having to conscript the youth of Ukraine. What if it was my kid? What if it was me?
I hope they can end this fast!
Then be mad that Putin is forcing them into this situation
What an interesting thing to say. Why would you think that I'm not?
Some people think in simple binaries, and lump people into groups based on who they believe holds a certain view.
Say anything negative about Israel, you must be pro-Hamas.
Say anything negative about Biden, you must be pro-Trump.
Say anything 'negative' about Ukraine (even something as simple as that Ukraine's youth being conscripted and dying is horrible), you must be pro-Russia.
You're right. ITT I complained about lost nuance LOL.
The military-industrial complexes always have something to gain in wars (provided they manage to adapt in time). But there's no other alternative industry that can supply the needed hardware to win a war, when an invasion happens. It just seems that's all what our species can do best: kicking each other, then having a rest for a few dozen years and starting over.
I'm not sure I understand your point. Are you trying to say that it being pro-war is a necessary evil? Are you assuming that the world would be less better off without powerful and breathtakingly enriched entities that thrive on war?
I'm not saying I have all the answers but I don't think I have to have all the answers to be against war or to be against the military industrial complex. Maybe that's just me. 😁
50% good. 50% evil.