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Zelenskyy straight-up said Ukraine is going to lose if Congress doesn't send more aid (www.businessinsider.com)

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President Zelenskyy warned that Ukraine would lose the war if the US didn't send it more aid.
House Republicans have been stalling on a $60 billion aid package for Ukraine.
"It is necessary to specifically tell Congress that if Congress does not help Ukraine, Ukraine will lose," he said.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said on Sunday that his country "will lose the war" against Russia if Congress does not act to send it more aid, Agence France-Presse reported.

"It is necessary to specifically tell Congress that if Congress does not help Ukraine, Ukraine will lose the war," he said, per AFP.

For months, House Republicans have stalled on a bill containing $60 billion in aid for Ukraine, stipulating that it should also include increased funding for security at the US southern border.

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[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 103 points 5 months ago (7 children)

As an American, it is infuriating and heartbreaking to see these psychotic dipshits in Congress actively working to consign an entire fucking country of 60 million people who WANT to integrate more closely with the US and Europe to being one of Putin’s puppet states.

I sincerely hope the GOP either lets this go through or loses power in the next couple weeks. Both outcomes are actually realistic possibilities at this point.

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[–] athos77@kbin.social 82 points 5 months ago (4 children)

We gave the Republicans a version with everyone they asked for, and they still voted against it.

[–] WillySpreadum@lemmy.world 70 points 5 months ago

Republicans never argue in good faith, and bending over backwards to give them what they want just shows them they can demand even worse terms next time.

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[–] ghostdoggtv@lemmy.world 46 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Republicans are going to cost this country and theirs fucking everything . Whatever happens to Ukraine I hope the GOP receives 10 fold

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[–] nucleative@lemmy.world 44 points 5 months ago (15 children)

It's Zelenskyy's job to say that. But if he doesn't get it he'll be in a tough situation with his troops assuming he tries to backpedal that and encourage them to keep fighting.

I don't understand why Europe isn't more involved in shutting this situation down. It's your goddamn borders at risk if this smoldering fire isn't put out.

[–] Buelldozer@lemmy.today 39 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

Europe CANT do more. They don’t have the military strength due to perpetual underfunding. It’s precisely what every US President since Bill Clinton has been bitching about. The wolf is at the door and they’re every bit as unprepared as has been claimed for the last 30 years.

[–] BestBouclettes@jlai.lu 15 points 5 months ago (5 children)

We've relied too heavily on NATO and the US and it's biting is in the ass right now. A European army would be great in this exact kind of situation. But then everyone in Europe will be "but muh sovereignty", like Europe didn't do in 50 years what people tried to do for centuries, which is preventing us from killing each other.

[–] Buelldozer@lemmy.today 13 points 5 months ago

We’ve relied too heavily on NATO and the US and it’s biting is in the ass right now.

Europe has a long term problem with it's reliance on the US that I haven't heard discussed. The demographics of the United States are shifting away from people of European background due to immigration from South America and Asia. Over the next 50ish years support from the US will not be a given because so many of the people simply won't have the cultural ties.

Why would masses of people whose backgrounds are from Venezuela, Vietnam, Sudan, or Mexico want to send billions of dollars of military aid, or enter a war, on the European continent?

[–] sturmblast@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

Who is "we" in this context?

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[–] ManniSturgis@lemmy.zip 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Yup, we have mostly tried to befriend Russia, even after they took the Crimea. Hell, there are right wing parties who'd love to buy russian gas again even now.

[–] sturmblast@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago

The American GOP is basically 100% pro Russia these days. Which is very concerning.

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[–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 31 points 5 months ago

As conservatives cheer.

Conservatism is death.

[–] VinnyDaCat@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Republicans doing typical Republican things to no one's benefit.

That said, I don't think aid in the form of sending more arms over is right. The proper humanitarian course of action would have been to send a coalition of troops over to Ukraine to forcefully shut the situation down. So many lives would have been saved had we done this earlier.

Instead we have chosen to let the war drag on by sending weapons and supplies, letting both Ukrainians and Russians(many of which who aren't there by choice) slaughter each other.

[–] EatATaco@lemm.ee 11 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Sending troops over runs a huge risk of causing the war to spread, bring more, wider-spread suffering. The us would love to do just that, but it comes with such a massive risk which is why they aren't.

[–] sturmblast@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago

The USA sending troops would basically cause WWIII to kick off. No one wants that.

[–] VinnyDaCat@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It's possible yes, but you also have to consider that perhaps Russia might not have ever invaded if we had shown that we were willing to fight.

A large part of the invasion was the fact that they knew they could get away with it. They know that we're just going to watch on the sidelines, providing some support from time to time. The people scared of a World War seem to forget that World War II started while the major powers at the time allowed Poland to be conquered before doing anything.

[–] EatATaco@lemm.ee 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Except we haven't done nothing. We've provided Ukraine with a ton of aid, which has to this point paralyzed Russia. And I think we should continue to do so for the reasons you point out.

Send troops in actually starts a war between us an Russia. That's not a good thing that will decrease suffering.

[–] VinnyDaCat@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Are we not in a proxy war with Russia already by providing Ukraine with aid?

If Russia truly refuses to back down when the other major superpower of the world getting directly involved, then that says much more about the future of our world.

You're right that we've done a great deal of damage to Russia. We've decimated their birthrate for generations I imagine, but that came at the cost of Ukrainian blood. If we can take preventative measures then we should take them whenever possible, and even if it causes a major war it will possibly prevent more in the future.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The difference between a war and a proxy war is huge. You want to see Russian bombers over Anchorage?

[–] VinnyDaCat@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It'll happen eventually surely? You can't keep standing down from them. They will continue to take more and more if you do. At some point you will have to tell Russia no much more firmly and risk a confrontation or nuclear war. It's inevitable.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

At some point you will have to tell Russia no much more firmly and risk a confrontation or nuclear war.

That point is Ukraine.

[–] Cuttlefish1111@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

Could help Palestine in the same fashion. Send in a coalition from everywhere except key players. Get serious with retaliatory attacks on aggressors.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Sending in troops would be extremely risky as that would be a direct war between Russia and the west, basically the start for WWIII with Nike's and other fun things.

Edith: nukes, not Nike's

[–] kromem@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

basically the start for WWIII with Nike's and other fun things.

"WWIII: Just do it."

[–] blazeknave@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (2 children)

These are Russian talking points under the guise of practical middle path. Fuck you. Slava Ukraine. Don't blame them for fighting back and ignoring the fact foreign boots equal Putin's finger on the button. "Just give them a little farming land, the locals want it"

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