No one should be monitoring children for more than six hours at a time. A childcare person on their seventh hour is too fatigued to be functional in an emergency.

That said, more than a 20-hour work week will start taxing adults so they can no longer serve their functions regarding civic duties (voting, staying knowledgeable about issues so as to govern policy, etc) and parenting.

[+] IsThisAnAI@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago (2 children)

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[–] ProvableGecko@lemmy.world 66 points 7 months ago (1 children)

And they would be right

[–] IsThisAnAI@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago (7 children)

No, they wouldn't. Nobody is going to give you the money you want doing the bare minimum. There is a difference between being abused and just lazy.

[–] irmoz@reddthat.com 44 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Where is 6 hours defined as the "bare minimum"? Can't find a source backing that claim up

That's enough time for not only many things to be done, but to be done well

[–] IsThisAnAI@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I guess you skipped over the part about walking out over the slightest inconvenience.

[–] irmoz@reddthat.com 39 points 7 months ago

"That part" must have happened entirely in your head, mate

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 7 months ago

You appear to be talking about a specific incident. Most people in the states cannot afford to walk out in the face of sexual assault or extortion.

Are you in a position where you can freely reveal details about what happened?

[–] then_three_more@lemmy.world 40 points 7 months ago

Productivity gains have all gone to the bosses. People are expected to do the work the 2 or 3 people would have done in the past. We could be getting on for 6 hours a day and a four day work week. But no, billionaires gotta buy another island somewhere.

[–] jkrtn@lemmy.ml 22 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Why shouldn't people have enough to live decently for doing the bare minimum? You cannot use a term like "minimum" and claim it is "just lazy." It is literally enough by definition.

[–] jlh@lemmy.jlh.name 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

"We need to talk about your flair..."

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 18 points 7 months ago

We aren't talking about bare minimums, we are talking about 6 hours of work in the most productive time in history.

[–] superb@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 7 months ago

Okay but can I have all of my basic needs met so that I don’t have to focus so much time and effort on not dying?

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 7 months ago

Laziness is indistinguishable from avolition a symptom of depression. Laziness, and its predecessor sloth are just terms of abuse used by the ownership class to admonish the working class.

No one wants to work in a toxic work environment, and the only reason we tolerate them, and workplace bullying is through extortion, because we have to, to eat.

But 2020 lockdown furlough and the great resignation that followed demonstrates to us that people aren't lazy at all, and will turn to other ways to be productive when given half a chance. But bosses really like to enjoy their place in dominance hierarchy, and can't actually be bothered to manage their companies -- we see very little exercise of management, that is getting to know and understand the workforce and regard them in a way to maximize productivity -- instead we see bosses deliberately choosing to engage in abusive and self-indulgent behavior, or enact policy that only deteriorates productivity, as we've seen with the return-to-work mandates. (Studies have shown people who work from home are as productive or even more so on average.)

So no. Laziness is not a thing. If someone can couch-potato for two weeks and not get cabin fever, then they're dealing with mental health issues, possibly exacerbated by a mean boss and a shitty work environment.

[–] eskimofry@lemm.ee 4 points 7 months ago

You're simply out of touch then. Everybody has a right to decent livable wages. It shouldn't be that people have to almost give themselves mental illness to survive.

[–] jlh@lemmy.jlh.name 25 points 7 months ago

Yes, because the most important thing in life is to have nice shit and money.

Also, the fact is that people are more productive when they have better work/life balance, as we can see with the high productivity numbers in Europe vs the abysmal productivity in the US and China. If people are paid for their productivity, as you're implying, people working 6 hour days should actually be making the same as someone working 8 hour days, assuming an efficient free market.