To the "lets not vote" crowd because Biden didn't do something or other, this will be your congratulations.
this post was submitted on 04 Apr 2024
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I'm sure the Gazans will be thrilled with that crowd's upstanding moral conviction as Donnie quintuples the drone count
"Finish the job" or whatever the specific wording that Trump used sounds far worse than that.
"Mission Accomplished"
There won't be a Gaza to level by the time the next term starts. "Uninstructed" and similar campaigns are trying to get Biden to influence his policies now, not make a statement about which man will be better in the next genocide.
There's been a Gaza for decades, it's not going to stop just because the genocidal Bibi tries to, even if it is being turned into rubble. The primary uncommited campaign is good, and I support it, but people saying that they're gonna vote for Trump over Biden / that they'll abstain entirely are just not going to help either present or future atrocities — wiping your hand clean doesn't save lives.
Saying they won't vote for Biden is the only leverage they have to exercise to prompt policy changes. "Uncommitted" scoring big in Michigan was effectively the first time Biden even started to pay attention to anti-genocide voters. Again, the goal is to make Biden change his stance so that he wins the election. Threatening his election is the leverage, not the end goal.
Yes, but it only works so much as that leverage exists. When the alternative is Trump, that leverage isn't gonna be realistically useable come November — and there are definitely folks who don't just say they won't vote for Biden over this issue (which is imo good, since that's the whole point of a democracy). I just worry that this strategy actually does extend to the general election and make even more people suffer even more... IMO, focus should be on bottom up — specifically the legislative branch, where there's quite a few especially in the House where a primary campaign could do well and force the issue at hand.
Trump is an enormous amount of leverage. Biden basically has to adapt if he cares about stopping Trump.
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At the end of the day though we just have to see whether current strategy works out come election day, I feel. Or if/when, God willing, a peace is attained.
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Trying to make this an election issue is moronic. Neither side is with Gaza, making his a moot point. Not to mention this is an election for the American presidency, not for president of Earth and Gaza. Deal with this outside of the election, through Congress and the Senate, but to make this an election issue only helps Trump and will hurt Gaza in the long run
Ah, the genocide-apologia account pops in with the clarion call of "protest some other time in some other place in a way that doesn't impact the target of your protest". And we've all seen your posts. We know sure as shit you don't give a fuck about "helping Gaza in the long run".
This isn't an election issue, this is a "right now" issue with a warning for danger in the election if he continues. Biden not changing his tack is what helps Trump. He's the active party in all this. The campaign didn't "make it an election issue", they're just trying to make him recognize it.
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A former aide to President Donald Trump and current co-host of ABC's The View
What a dystopian fucking sentence!
At least it's not another lobbyist or oil/finance company board member.
True, just a professional fascist swamp dweller for the last decade plus change:
Before 2014, Griffin wrote articles for her father's far-right website WorldNetDaily, where she served as a "special Washington correspondent for WND."[7][6] In 2010, Griffin was a media intern for Congressman Tom McClintock and began a one-year position as an associate producer on The Laura Ingraham Show.[11] In the 2012 Presidential election cycle, Griffin was the spokesperson for the College Republican National Committee, traveling the country discussing the youth vote. In 2014, she was named Press Secretary for Congressman Mark Meadows; she was later named as his Communications Director. She went on to work as the Communications Director for the Freedom Caucus in the U.S. House of Representatives, serving under Jim Jordan and Mark Meadows.[12]
Ignore the trump shit. They hired someone that worked for WorldNutDaily?
Yeah, the whole false equivalence appearance of neutrality bullshit they have going forces them to REALLY scrape the bottom of the barrel sometimes..
wrote articles for her father's far-right website
Now we have nepo-fascists to worry about too? Damnit.
Good news, everybody! It's already mostly leveled, so the odds of there being anything left by next January are slim.
He's fat, but he's not that fat.
to be fair.... he does everything without a thought.
He's incapable of thought. somebody should stuff him in a dark lab and do some psychatric tests for.... I dunno... the next decade?
This really shouldn't be surprising. The man has signalled and announced his desire to shoot first and ask questions later at the slightest provocation. He's also very vocally pro-Israel. Anybody crowing about "Genocide Joe" is a bad actor intentionally trying to confuse the discourse with bullshit noise. There is no ethical vote except for Biden. Every single US president has been pro-Israel, so just drop that argument and start focussing on how to materially improve living conditions of actual Americans.
Broke: People being opposed to the ongoing genocide in Gaza are going to get Trump elected.
Woke: Biden's uncritical support of an unpopular genocide in Gaza is going to get Trump elected.
Biden could just, you know, stop giving arms to Israel.
Stop sending them bombs right now, and withhold money until they can prove they’ve stopped murdering civilians. This is an easy solution, it’s such a low bar, yet Biden is unable to clear it.
If I were to turn on my Machiavellian reptile brain and looked at this situation (from what I've read) as if this was a game or something...
Israel is kinda like The West's attack/guard dog in the Middle East. That dog is getting out of control. The only leash that The West has on Israel is their funding, remove the funding and they remove the leash, and now we've got an out of control dog with nukes and no leash. It may not seem like the leash isn't doing much to control it but it's far better than letting the dog loose. Especially considering how powerful the dog is, how it seems to have more control over The West than the other way around, might have to do with all the religious leadership on both sides looking forward to the red cow they're sacrificing this month, maybe their prophecy of a "second coming" and (nuclear) fire raining from the sky to end humanity is kinda the point.
I'm going to stop the reptile brain before it mentions how we typically deal with bad dogs that can't be tamed, because god forbid THAT'S taking things too far.
All you "genocide" claimers are gonna get the orange man elected.
Can we be at least a little nicer about the point you're making? Poor form to assume bad faith when anyone with a heart wants Biden doing more. The problem is that Israel is deliberately forcing Biden to eat shit on this issue because guess what, Bibi has every reason to prefer Trump in 2024.
That dude, zerog_bandit, has repeatedly done genocide denial and justification.
I think most US voters on here know that Trump will be significantly worse than Biden on Israel. Both candidates are pro-genocide, but at least Biden and Dems can be pressured to change. Not to mention that Trump wants to ramp up domestic fascism too.
No shit. This is not a 'both sides' issue. So annoyed with that weak-assed mentality.
I agree, it's a cop-out to ignore the actual issues and solutions.
Unfortunately there are more nefarious forces that intend to sow defeatism and apathy. I had one such buffoon tell me they're voting 3rd party. Don't fall for this garbage.
I would vote third party in every election
IF WE HAD STAR VOTING
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I'm sorry for feeling bad that children are dying. I'll do my best to be a good American and support the people killing them.
Given the way it is portrayed on the news, I thought it already was practically leveled. Or does this mean extra leveled? Like salt the earth.
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