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[–] eggshappedegg@sopuli.xyz 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Trains are great to connect cities. But a train trip for me will tipically take me will typically take 3 times longer than it would with a car. Last time I had to take the train/bus it took me 6 hours and had to change between 3 busses and 1 train. I could have done the whole trup in 2 hours, no changes and actually same price as I spent on fuel for my car.

And this is in Scandinavia where things run pretty smoothly!

I agree that within cities public transportation is great. But there are people who need cars no matter how many trains you set up or electrify. For us, EV is a good option (when they become more affordable)

[–] bouh@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (12 children)

That's because your country has a shitty rail network.

Before there were roads everywhere the car were not as practical.

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[–] Gecko@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This falls apart as soon as high-speed rail comes into play. I've done multiple train trips that outpace car trips primarily cause the train goes faster than the car.

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[–] Bogasse@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Well that's a topic that intrigued me recently.

Here in France there was already some debates about how worth it was, mostly because it takes a few years to compensate the cost of production of the battery. But in France we think of the electricity as basically carbon-free (our energetic mix is something like 70% nuclear, 7% gas+coal, then "clean" energy)

However, in the world I think something like 70% of electricity production is fossil (with ~40% of coal), I don't get how electric cars are even a thing, say in the US?

[–] Oddbin@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

One power station is easier to replace than 1 million cars but takes a fair bit longer. So you swap the cars over right now. You also immediately stop local production of co2 as well as other noxious gases, stop the transportation of fuel and the fuel that THAT burns and you make people more energy conscious not just about the vehicle but their total usage.

Fossil Fuels in a power station are more efficient than a car ever will be. In addition Petrol and diesel vehicles are dirty from day one until they are scrapped. EVs pay off their debt ( in the EU I believe it's less than 20k miles and falling) and then are as close as you can make to neutral but not ride a bike everywhere. As the grid gets cleaner you immediately benefit also.

Many people hate cars and in America you lot have been very lazy about public transport so you lot are way, way behind on a lot of the mass transit stuff sadly. This means EVs are the future. Are they the end point? Probably not. But they're the best we can do right now and this infighting over them is stupid.

We all should be behind anything that moves us to being fully electric as quick as possible, making the transition to public transport if we can but EVs if not. Fire your ire at the coal rollers and V8 5.0 wastes of energy, not the EVs.

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[–] Rentlar@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

[Citation needed] on the 100000x easier part, but nice meme.

Electric cars seem like a stopgap more than anything to me.

[–] lugal@sopuli.xyz 9 points 1 year ago

I found a source. I hope that helps.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (23 children)

I am all for more public transportation in this country, but it wouldn't help me personally. I live outside of city limits- the closest bus line is two miles away. My work is even further outside city limits, a 10-minute drive south of me down a four-lane highway, past farm fields and into an industrial park.

There's just no way public transportation is going to help me there. And even if I didn't have to do it down a highway, there's no way I'm riding a bike there in the middle of winter.

So do please make public transport more available and expansive. Just know that it still won't be a universal solution. Individual transport is needed by some of us.

I plan to get an electric (not a Tesla) for my next car. I currently drive a hybrid.

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[–] sirico@feddit.uk 9 points 1 year ago

Batteries used gives you150 ebikes for every e-car

[–] nomadjoanne@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Because they give people a lot more freedom than trains


if you own a car. If you don't own a car but live in a society where everybody else has one you are kinda screwed.

[–] bonnetbee@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I know it is not necessarily your opinion, but cars don't give freedom to people - even if you own one. You pay so much for your car, the society pays a lot for the infrastructure, this infrastructure takes away the freedom from people (especially children) to live and move outside, when you drive you can (should) do nothing else, it's reputation as individual way of transport blocks expansion of public transit, ... every aspect of a car is taking freedom away from you. A car that gives people freedom is a marketing strategy and the opposite is true.

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[–] Clipper152@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago

B-but think of the iNdIvIdUaL!

[–] wanderingmagus@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (16 children)

Because places like America are so spread out (by design) that rail networks, especially in the Great Plains and Southwest, are viewed as impractical unless all of their population moved to cities or towns in close proximity to rail lines, and Americans tend to take up a large chunk of the bandwidth.

[–] cogman@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You'd think. But the truth is throughout the West and Midwest, almost every town has or has had a rail line.

So what's gone wrong? Pretty much the same thing that's gone wrong with America in general, big corporations realized shipping to big cities is way more profitable than carrying passengers from small towns. Particularly because most people prefer a car over the train.

We have a ton of dead rail lines just waiting to be revitalized.

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[–] Crucible_Fodder@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yeah, but no train takes me from my front door to my job/the movies/my vacation place. And my car works even if the state decides to shut down the trains/buses.

[–] spiphy@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You seem to have a serious case of car brain, which is odd because you are commenting in the fuckcars community

[–] jannis@feddit.de 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This meme is on the startpage, so many people outside of the typical c/fuckcars community will comment.

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[–] constnt@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

What if the state decides to shut down oil supply? Or the electric grid? That logic applies to cars as much as trains. Those all rely on government oversite, even when privately owned.

We decry the government, claiming it's inept. We listen to and vote in people who say the government is inept. Then when those we just voted in do a horrible job we then point at the mess and say, "see the government doesn't work". It's a self fulfilling prophecy.

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[–] rarely@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Public transit good, but in america public transit is not well funded and only really available in big cities. I think sadly it will be years before americans can give up the independence of being able to have transportation direct from point a to point b. Consider that in rural areas it could be a 30 minute drive to get groceries with no transit options. As long as americans are going to drive cars, we can at least try to make them electric vs ICE.

I will continue to vote for public transit initiatives and if we had a bus or train system in my town I would use it. I have a fuel efficient ICE car but trying to buy electric as soon as I can afford to buy something that isn't a telsa pile of crap.

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