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Trudeau says premiers complaining about carbon price didn't pitch better ideas (www.winnipegfreepress.com)
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[–] nik282000@lemmy.ca 27 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Tax the fucking rich. If you use or produce gas/oil/coal at an industrial scale, your taxes should be an incredible burden. Most citizens don't have an option to choose their fuel source, most of us don't even get a choice of god damned ISP.

Despite being just an conditioner with 2 extra valves, heatpumps are insanely expensive. And thanks to their high price and a 24/7 public slander campaign no one wants to buy an electric car. Fuck.

Before you even start, a modern heatpump will work with outside temps down below -20 and you don't need a car with a 700km range and 90 second charger, you need 200-300km and a 15amp outlet because all you do is drive your broke ass too and from work 250 days a year.

[–] rdyoung@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)

This right here. I drive for a living and my new (to me) ev gets just over 300 miles range in the city, thats more than enough most of the time. My current city has zero fast chargers but the ones I'm likely to get to every so often do so while I haven't availed myself of the mega fast chargers as of yet, I know they are out there.

I've been saying similar along with plenty of others for years now. Most people would be fine with a cheaper ev that gets like 150 miles out of the battery and maybe keep a gas car around or even rent when they take their once or twice a year road trip to visit family.

As for the amperage. I'd suggest getting a bit more than 15a. My 40amp charges at like 30miles/hour give or take until it overheats or the car hits like 80% charge and then it drops to half that. You don't want to have to make a last minute run further away than usual and find you have nowhere near enough battery to get you there and back.

[–] HamsterRage@lemmy.ca 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Most people aren't going to need to top up more than 30-40km worth of charge every night anyways. So that's probably only a couple hours on 15amp.

[–] rdyoung@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

And this is how you say you don't know about electricity without saying it. That 15amp will get throttled by the charger and or the car by about 15-20% from the get.

Not to mention that in addition to the above. Not only is the cost difference negligible between amperages, having a much higher rated plug in the garage or in my case on the side of the house will come in handy for most people at some point. I went for the highest I could get in the timeframe and cost parameters I was working with. I'd actually love to get higher but I don't know how much more I can get without having another line from my power company and going with DC which would be awesome but isn't worth the cost and the hassle (at the moment).

[–] SamuelRJankis@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago

Just to point out:

  • Given that the Carbon tax is consumption based and the rich tend to consume significantly more it is effectively taxing the rich.

  • Up until recently before the Greener Home program was cancelled a very substantial portion of Heat pump installations was subsidized.

  • Modern heat pumps can still work at 75% capacity at -30c without auxiliary heat.

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 18 points 7 months ago

The right are disingenuous. They'll complain about things they voted for and pretend they were against it. Don't bother to listen to them.

[–] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 14 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

“According to the Bank of Canada, the carbon price is only responsible for about 0.1 percentage points of annual inflation,” he wrote. ... "We continue to remain open to proposals for credible systems that price pollution that reflect the unique realities of your regions and meet the national benchmark.”

Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre relentlessly campaigns to, as he puts it, “spike the hike.” Poilievre has been drumming up support for months, hosting coast-to-coast rallies, fundraising and selling party T-shirts with his pledge to “axe the tax” should Conservatives form the next government.

Ah, I see the problem. Trudeau needs to stop explaining things and just come up with something that rhymes and fits on a T-shirt. Maybe "Pass on Gas"?

[–] TheAgeOfSuperboredom@lemmy.ca 4 points 7 months ago

Tax the stacks

[–] skozzii@lemmy.ca 5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Who's shocked?

The right are professional whiners at this point.

[–] Someone@lemmy.ca 2 points 7 months ago

I think tackling the cost of living, more specifically housing, is way more important and will pave the way for these taxes to be more effective and accepted. Heat pumps are expensive, EVs are really expensive, and the people who would benefit the most from an EV probably need an at home charger which is also expensive. Recent home buyers likely can't afford such an upgrade, and renters don't have a choice even if they could. Until affordability is under control these taxes really just feel like they're targeted at the poor.