Doesn’t matter who hosts it. Oracle has no access to the user data. Just because some website is hosted there does not mean that they can see the data.

[–] fustigation769curtain@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago

Yeah, it's not about 'data.'

It's about money. Lol. American rulers want a piece of that pie, and they have plenty of useful idiots spreading FUD to help them.

[–] Omniraptor@lemm.ee 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Despite this, they don't believe tiktok's assurances that the CCP doesn't actually have ready access to the data. However the only evidence they've presented is testimony from a former employee.

[–] Gigasser@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

Even if that were the case, couldn't the Chinese government just covertly get one of their companies to buy any such data from companies like Meta and Google anyways, and then request it from one of their own firms if they wanted to? Tiktok just makes it so that the Chinese government can (if they were harvesting American data) acquire it for free.

[–] bamboo@lemm.ee 9 points 8 months ago

More than that, US companies have maintained monopolies for decades in the tech sector, and feel entitled to them even as markets shift away.

[–] Empathy@beehaw.org 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

I'm a bit worried about the amount of people I see making this argument whenever I see posts about a TikTok ban/acquisition.

I'm getting the impression that, either:

People don't believe there's (significant) Chinese propaganda on TikTok.
People believe there would be (significant) US propaganda on TikTok following an acquisition.
Given the choice, people would rather see Chinese propaganda than US propaganda.

Am I correct? Is there a nuance I'm missing?

I can understand concerns over point #2 here, but #1 and #3 seem wild to me.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 8 points 8 months ago

Given the choice, people would rather see Chinese propaganda than US propaganda.

Well since I see US propaganda literally everywhere else it's nice to get some counter-programming.

[–] mub@lemmy.ml 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Yli.think you make a reasonable point, but it feels like choosing between getting stabbed in the left leg vs the right leg.

[–] Empathy@beehaw.org -2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (4 children)

If it were the US vs another democratic country, I would feel like that too.

I'm particularly concerned with China (and Russia) because:

They are not a democratic country.
They do not have freedom of speech like most countries
As far as I perceive, they are generally enemies of well-intentioned countries.

I might have a different perspective though. I'm a fairly recent US immigrant from Canada.

Edit: I'd like to add, my tone may come across wrong over written text, I'm just trying to understand people's overall perspective and whether mine is different, I'm not trying to argue and I'm not upset at you nor any of the commenters I've seen on similar posts.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 4 points 8 months ago

They are not a democratic country.

Why would you say that? Meanwhile, Princeton University Study: US is an oligarchy, not a democracy. Which isn’t surprising since capitalist democracy is a sham democracy.

They do not have freedom of speech like most countries

I can only say that they are freer than Anglosphere propaganda claim. Meanwhile Julian Assange has been a political prisoner for 12 years and counting, despite even the major Global North corporate media pleading for his exoneration.

As far as I perceive, they are generally enemies of well-intentioned countries.

I’m not sure which countries you’re referring to, but maybe you mean the other imperial core countries. As neocolonizers, they are no more well-intentioned than the US is, from the perspective of the periphery countries they plunder.

[–] tiredturtle@lemmy.ml 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

You're getting hit by a some bad faith willful misunderstander comments

It's true that Russia or China aren't well-intentioned nor democracies AND the USA belongs to that same group.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 2 points 8 months ago

Your comment is a perfect example of what US propaganda does to people.

[–] UnixWeeb@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 8 months ago

Wish we could just implement some form of federal standards that are aimed towards protecting US citizens' data instead of just banning a service like tiktok because "China bad".

[–] makeasnek@lemmy.ml 11 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Good. I don't use TikTok and never will, but the government shouldn't be able to tell you what kind of speech you listen to, what speech you make, or what platforms you use to communicate it. This is some 1984 shit. Looking forward to Trump banning every app except Truth social because we opened the door to this nonsense and all the other apps are spreading "anti-christian hate speech" or "anti-american-first propaganda". Fuck the CCP. But also fuck the government trying to restrict speech.

[–] frunch@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Just like to take this opportunity to say fuck the name "ByteDance"

It's a stupid, corporate, "hip" name that needs to fade into obscurity asap. Not crazy about the company either, but the name in particular is just so fucking cringe

[–] Shard@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Seems to be the hip thing for social media companies. Meta, X, anyone else want to chip in absolutely stupid names to the list?

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago

All names are arguably ridiculous

[–] tiredturtle@lemmy.ml 2 points 8 months ago

Global Earth Federation should just ban all spying software