this post was submitted on 14 Mar 2024
47 points (89.8% liked)

Linux

48083 readers
749 users here now

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Linux is a family of open source Unix-like operating systems based on the Linux kernel, an operating system kernel first released on September 17, 1991 by Linus Torvalds. Linux is typically packaged in a Linux distribution (or distro for short).

Distributions include the Linux kernel and supporting system software and libraries, many of which are provided by the GNU Project. Many Linux distributions use the word "Linux" in their name, but the Free Software Foundation uses the name GNU/Linux to emphasize the importance of GNU software, causing some controversy.

Rules

Related Communities

Community icon by Alpár-Etele Méder, licensed under CC BY 3.0

founded 5 years ago
MODERATORS
 

I recently saw the new 550 drivers fixing a lot of wayland issues as well as KDE 6 being a lot better on wayland and decided, you know what, let me try it.

The first question was, which WM do I use? Initially I wanted to try DWL or Sway, since I currently use DWM on Xorg and like it quite much. However, I was somehow taken in by the Hyprland hype and man their website is flashy. So, okay I'll try that.

From there, I didn't last an hour. First of all, hyprland was using 20% of a cpu core and 200Mb permanently, on idle, without blur, shadows or animations enabled. This is absolutely insane, especially since, without these things, it was functionally the same as my DWM setup, which barely uses 0.5% and 9mb of RAM. Now I understand that Xorg included more things and the compositor devs or wlroots have to write more code on their own, but 20% is way too insane for me to even consider the switch. Now I honestly believe that this is an NVIDIA thing, as googling around people seemed to say it was pretty lightweight with some features disabled.

The second issue I noticed was ultimately the deal breaker. I could have tried Sway or DWL next and maybe one of those would have been fine. However, it seems like NVIDIA does not support hardware cursor on wayland. It's listed as an issue under wlroots, hyprland and sway. Now I will admit I do play video games sometimes and using some floaty unresponsive software cursor is out of the question when I've already experienced the bliss that is a hardware cursor. I don't know when this will be added, but according to a phoronix post, someone added the code to the nvidia driver and it does work on KDE now, so maybe it will be added to wlroots and the likes soon.

That's it, just wanted to talk about it a little since I was somewhat disappointed. I have wanted to move to wayland for a long time, it seems like I will still have to wait. One thing's for sure, I'm never buying an NVIDIA card again.

top 7 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] independantiste@sh.itjust.works 16 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Hyprland and wlroots are pretty small projects in comparison to Plasma and GNOME, which should both be basically flawless on Nvidia Wayland, now. At least gnome has been perfect since driver 545

[–] SorryQuick@lemmy.ca 10 points 8 months ago (1 children)

According to the gnome website (https://wiki.gnome.org/Initiatives/Wayland/NVIDIA) gnome still uses a software cursor. Only KDE of all wayland projects has a hardware cursor with NVIDIA, while it AMD has it everywhere.

[–] independantiste@sh.itjust.works 5 points 8 months ago

I was not really referring to the cursor thing as I don't really play games on linux so I don't have experience with that, more in terms of general stability and performance

[–] CalcProgrammer1@lemmy.ml 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Not on my 1080Ti. I have serious flickering on certain apps when using the latest NVIDIA proprietary drivers on Arch Linux with GNOME Wayland. Steam flickers and sometimes seems to fail to redraw properly. Had some issues on Discord as well.

[–] independantiste@sh.itjust.works 5 points 7 months ago

Maybe fedora applied some patches, I have a 1080ti as well

[–] OneRedFox@beehaw.org 4 points 7 months ago

Sway doesn't support the proprietary Nvidia driver and Nouveau was hot garbage last time I tried it. IIRC, GNOME and KDE are the two projects that have invested the most resources into accommodating Nvidia's bullshit and even then I'd still expect the experience to be lackluster.

[–] BlanK0@lemmy.ml 2 points 8 months ago

In terms of WMs, I would say sway and river are the most straightforward to setup, the rest like dwl and hyprland might require more setup for different reasons like hyprland outside of arch but it works well in my machine