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[–] oh_jeez_rick@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago

This is the original question

Do you think it is ever justified for citizens to take violent action against the government, or is it never justified?

It's scary that 66% do not think it is sometimes justified. BUT this question was asked with jan 6th in mind. Meaning this question does not fit a general purpose question because the mind of people was tricked into thinking about jan 6th.

If 66% of the people would actually think it was never justified america would have another problem on its long sad list of problems.

[–] pimento@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 2 years ago

What kind of question is this? In every country there has been some level of violence against the government at some time. Its just a fact of life, and calling it "unjustified" wont make it go away.

There is also the Right of revolution.

[–] X51@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Not surprising. The problem is that too many stupid people are initiating violence when it is not necessary and has no valid justification.

[–] DPUGT2@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The trouble is that, philosophically speaking, there are no useful guidelines for when violence is or is not justified.

When dealing with individuals, we all know when we're justified in using violence against them (in self-defense against violence already initiated or reasonably imminent). When dealing with governments (or maybe more generalized to "any large group"), this standard just doesn't cut it. For one, if they've already initiated violence against you... you're going to lose. For another, the goal of a tyrannical government is to control you against your will, so them murdering you generally subverts their own intentions. Instead, they merely threaten violence, and often do so in a way that psychologically interrupts your ability to see that as justifying counter-violence.

People jumping the gun and trying to get riled up is a reaction to that (making sure that the psychology never interrupts the justification of counter-violence). Of course, that just means that they also attempt insurrection even when there isn't anything resembling justification.

Until people are willing to talk about the subject, we can't even explore just when it is and when it isn't justified, and we'll be left with a "you'll know it when you see it" approach that means no one can be certain that they should fight back until they're being shoveled into the ovens.

Probably, we're all scared (whether or not it's the case) that if we were to come up with a logical philosophy, we'd discover that we should have done something decades ago.

[–] X51@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago

Both sides of my family fought in the American Revolution and our family name is on a famous historical landmark. I'm not going to dispute the need may exist. The U.S. was founded on fighting unjust leadership. That is why the right to gun ownership is so highly valued here.

Was violence/insurrection necessary on 1/6/2021? Absolutely not. Violence was used in an attempt to negate my legal vote in the election. It did not represent the people. It represented extremists.