I feel like this is entirely against Lemmy.world's ethos of "a general-purpose Lemmy instance of various topics, for the entire world to use" (emphasis mine). I for one joined this instance exactly because they didn't have a ban-happy federation policy like some of the other big ones. I understand people's concerns, but if you want a "fuck corporations" walled garden instance, I feel like there are better homes for you somewhere else...
this post was submitted on 07 Jul 2023
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Corporations offer the walled garden. Keeping them and their greedy growth-at-all-costs motives out of here would be better for the community. You have places to go to go enjoy those platforms already. Feel free to use them. Please don't force them on everyone here where they aren't generally welcome and where the communities here do better without them.
We don't have a lot of places to go to get away from them. And again, you can run to them and their platforms without pushing it on the rest of us.
I don't think anyone is forcing anything on anyone? It just sounds like people like you and others in this thread want a more curated instance WRT federation, which I don't think lemmy.world was designed to be (though I'm absolutely keen to be corrected if I've missed something in their policies).
That's the freedom of this platform right, being able to move around to communities that better suit the individual 🤷♂️ Not trying to flame and argument my friend, just sounds like there's a more obvious answer.
I don't necessarily want much interference with content. Just defederate from known bad actors really.
We have no evidence of bad acting in the fediverse from Meta. It's all speculation at this point. And you're changing your argument back and forth from poor content concerns to "meta is evil."
You're asking for a better curated community in the end. If the content is bad or some other weird scenario occurs, then admins will act accordingly.
No evidence of bad acting from Meta? This is a joke right? If you think they will not do their best to pull the same bullshit they have pulled everywhere else you being a bit naive.
I'm not changing my argument. I don't generally want interference with content. BUT in the case of Meta, who is known to be awful, and have awful content, yes I argue that both are good enough reasons to not join hands with them.
You literally misquoted me. I said no evidence of bad acting in the fediverse. Words have meaning. Don't argue in bad faith.
I'm not arguing in bad faith. They aren't in the fediverse yet so of course there is no evidence here yet. I'm pointing out that you are putting your head in the sand and ignoring that Meta is a bad company, with bad intentions, and they will not change just because muh fediverse.
You are arguing in bad faith. You claimed I said Meta never acted in bad faith. I never did. That's a bad faith argument. It's a strawman arguments. Your whole first paragraph is attacking and insulting a position I literally never made. This is a joke, right? You seem a bit naive.
I don't think we will get nowhere with furthering this discussion. I feel you aren't following what I am saying, and I can't tell if it's willful or not. So, my bad. I'm sorry. I'm not trying to discuss anything in bad faith.
I am following you, I just don't think you understand it's incorrect. You change your argument between it being garbage content to being about undetermined, nonspecific dangers from Meta. We barely even ultimately disagree. I'll probably want to defederate Threads. I just don't want to do it for stupid illogical and immature reasons. I want to be consistent with how I approach the fediverse. I will treat all instances the same until the instance shows a reason otherwise. I will not make assumptions based on predetermined notions, no matter what the company has done. Especially since it is mostly moot since Threads has suggested they'll be multi-instance. It's like telling s Lemmy instance don't federate with Kbin. Or a specific PixelFed instance to not federate with Mastodon.
I have done a little bit of reading but I'm still not sure what the issue is. Is it that Threads will take over and defacto become the entire Fediverse? Because I think that would happen whether or not Mastoson/Lemmy instances choose to defederate. Is privacy the concern, and if so, wouldn't it only affect people using Threads?
Because this is reminiscent of what happened with XMPP. In the old days you had many closed source protocols for instant messaging. Then XMPP came along and started gaining steam. At that point, major platforms started using it, with everything federated. Someone with Google could talk to someone on Facebook and with someone on myown.sillyserver.net. Everything was going great. But obviously the majority of people went with the easy option to go with Facebook or Google, meaning you still had a federated network on the paper, but with a few actors weighing way more than most.
Obviously at that point, they slowly defederated, preventing their customers from talking to their contacts on other platforms. But most of their contacts where on the same platform, so the cost of migrating was higher. That's how the federation ended. XMPP still exists, and was actually used by WhatsApp in a non federated way, but it is the shell of itself with not a lot of people using it.
A social network strength is in its number. Accepting Meta into Fediverse creates a very real risk that they will try an embrace and extinguish strategy and in the end you will have most people on Meta and just a niche of people on Lemmy/Mastodon, similar to how it was a few months ago.
The goal of the fediverse is to find the proper balance between having multiple platforms big enough so that moderation and technical management can be done by knowledgeable people, but small enough that they cannot decide willy nilly to defederated. Having Meta in the fediverse would very probably break that balance.
XMPP died because of competition. Everyone is forgetting everyone said Google was losing the chat wars with Apple and that's why Google repeatedly released new systems. Google left XMPP and that isn't why XMPP failed. It failed because virtually everyone had either an Apple account or Android account. So they all had a chat account already. They "destroyed" XMPP the same way Blackberry hurt XMPP at the time as well. XMPP would be just as relevant if Google never federated with it.
I have some mixed feelings about this
But (and don't hate me for this) If theads joins the fediverse it could actually bring a large user base over
And ofcourse once meta gets greedy the fediverse should do what it's designed for and prevent any large company from owning the fediverse
It could also convince a decent portion of the threads userbase to move over to lemmy or mastodon much easier then they would of been able to in the past since they will already be so close
Tl;Dr Allow meta into the fediverse but if it's shit then defederate them aka do what this system was designed for
In case Lemmy.world doesn't defederate, I need an instance recommendation. Preferably something active. Not lemmy.ml and beehaw.org, I'm not going back to those. Anyone got any ideas?
I'm aware of the beehaw drama... But what's the issue with lemmy.ml?
Isn’t Threads federating with Mastodon, not Lemmy?
Mastodon and Lemmy are linked (you can see replies form mastodon users and posts), and if threads joins then we are all linked.
Honestly, I feel like u/ruud is gonna see these comments and keep Zuck out of things. He seems like he cares about what's going on up in here.
To me it’s simple. If Zuck has a part in this, I will find somewhere else to go.
It's very simple. Facebook/meta bullshit on here and I am moving to -tildes.
Fuck corporations. I hope they all burn and I hope their creators and their born and unborn offspring get cancer and die.