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[–] match@pawb.social 43 points 8 months ago (3 children)

what if we tried improving america instead

[–] Crikeste@lemm.ee 16 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

Also, working together instead of open antagonism. Imagine the good the US and China could do together. It’d also be a metric shit ton of suffering, but they’re already cozy in those beds. Might as well build each other up.

How many American companies rely on China for their products? We should be building those relationships stronger. Not putting them in tension.

[–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

That's the fundamental thing people miss. The MO of the US isn't power for any sake other than to maximize misery and abuse in the world. If they had a button to give everyone 20 million dollars they wouldn't press it, but they would immediately press a button that did the opposite.

[–] Alsephina@lemmy.ml 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

You're getting downvoted but you're right.

It's not that the US's people in power are fundamentally evil (well they kinda are but you know what I mean), it's just that its role as the leader of the imperial core since WW2, and its complete rule by the capitalist class means there's nothing it can do but maximize suffering in the world to keep the rest of the world economically and militarily subjugated for as long as it can.

And it will be this way until and unless its capitalist system is completely destroyed.

[–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 3 points 8 months ago

Honestly at this point I don't think they're a slave to capitalism so much as they're using capitalism as the system to maximize harm. We're talking about a nation that was built on the genocide of an entire people, a point oven severely downplayed by even the most progressive.

[–] tiredturtle@lemmy.ml -1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Both of the countries would need some kind of a revolution before they'd shift towards cooperation with anyone

[–] mlg@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] tiredturtle@lemmy.ml 0 points 8 months ago

Too questionable to know for sure

[–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 5 points 8 months ago

Communist!!

[–] aodhsishaj@lemmy.world 25 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Hahahaha she was ineffective when she ran RI and she's ineffective now. There's no trade war that's going to fix this, the only thing we can do as a country is invest in science and lower the barriers of entry into the STEM fields. This is a generational problem. None of this can be fixed within the next term let alone the next decade. We've made it far too easy to incentivize US businesses building their infrastructure upon cheap labor markets because we refuse to support local labor and innovation.

[–] Alsephina@lemmy.ml 24 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Washington may intensify its campaign to prevent Beijing catching up in military capabilities.

More like "delay", or maybe even speed up China's becoming self-sufficient, seeing what the sanctions have been doing so far lol

[–] abuttandahalf@lemmy.ml 16 points 8 months ago

Fortunately they can't do anything about it.

[–] agitatedpotato@lemmy.world 15 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Have you tried making things people want to buy instead of banning things people want to buy if they're from China?

[–] z3rOR0ne@lemmy.ml 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

American workers complain too much about their rights and pay to compete with China at the capitalist game.

But no worries. American corporations are working on that. /s

[–] Onihikage@beehaw.org 11 points 8 months ago

These are the actions of a failing hegemon desperate to maintain its former position. If our ~~rulers~~ "leaders" were smart, they'd be going all-in on education and industrial policy, to build up our own capabilities rather than trying to tear down that of our neighbors. They've chosen once again the strategy of a bully, which seems to be all they understand. It will fail to stop China from advancing, it will fail to stop the nation's decline, and it will make them less likely to treat us kindly in the future.

We know from game theory that "nice" strategies which forgive some of the time are more prosperous in the long run to all parties. Where would mankind be right now technologically if the US had chosen after WWII to help everyone build and rebuild, and share their prosperity with others on a continuing basis, instead of greedily subjugating every developing nation, human rights be damned? I can only hope that someday a leader with real power might finally understand this. Most of life is not a zero-sum game, so there's no sense treating it like one.

[–] frightful_hobgoblin@lemmy.ml 8 points 8 months ago
[–] arin@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] jackpot@lemmy.ml 2 points 8 months ago

well, theyre a competitor and this is allowed

[–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 6 points 8 months ago

That's code for "We will destroy everything we touch if it means spiting our enemies even a little bit"