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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by AES@lemmy.ronsmans.eu to c/reddit@lemmy.world
 

Lemmy: "that is a fair point"

Reddit: "you fucking moron"

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[–] Darc@lemmy.world 92 points 1 year ago (4 children)

platform bias is real, folks. i’ve had lots of the lemmy F’s since i’ve been here.

[–] holycrap@lemm.ee 82 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] caffinz@lemmy.ml 68 points 1 year ago (3 children)
[–] remotelove@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I made the mistake of poking my head into /c/communism the other day. If you have a constructive opinion about something, speak up and join the chat over there! You will soon learn that you are a fascist baby killer as well, regardless of who you actually are.

It was a breath of fresh air, lemmie tell ya.

[–] Darc@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

Yep, that was one of the places. Well not /c/communism directly, more like /c/latestagecapitalism showed up on my feed, which is essentially the same thing. I responded to a post without looking at the community, saying (respectfully) that I thought a 70% tax is ridiculous for any demographic or socioeconomic status and I wondered how and why innovation happens in that kind of tax system, and I learned how many ways my family could die at their hands and how I’m the reason death and disease happen in the world. The mods removed the threats but I removed my comment to stop them from returning. I didn’t know it was the communism part 2 /c/.

What’s worse is THEIR threats were being upvoted by the community and my respectful original comment and replies were being downvoted like crazy. It wasn’t just the commenters - the voters were complicit. I had ZERO upvotes other than my own. There isn’t a decent human over there if you’re not a communist. They want to kill you. They told me, in lots of ways.

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[–] nekat_emanresu@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I find your words of the utmost distaste. Does your mothers tongue slosh around as vacuously as your own?

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[–] TheMightyBlu@feddit.uk 62 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As a Reddit user who's recently moved to Lemmy - that's a fair point, you fucking moron

[–] Viniyur@yiffit.net 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Now that's just Australia.

[–] Ascend910@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As a Australian, I can conferm

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[–] Downcount@lemmy.world 49 points 1 year ago (4 children)

That's quite a fair point.

I think the reason behind that is that it's a new place and people are shy in new environments. Not only they behave more cautious but they lurk more (which leads to more lurking by others).

Did you get that you fucking moron?

[–] GuyDudeman@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Downcount@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

No, this is Patrick.

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[–] Plaid_Kaleidoscope@lemmy.world 43 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I hope Lemmy moves past this phase of directly measuring itself in every way, real and imagined, against Reddit. Doesn't seem like a healthy way to start the community. We need our own identity if we ever hope for this to take hold.

[–] AES@lemmy.ronsmans.eu 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] Galtiel@lemmynsfw.com 20 points 1 year ago (4 children)
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[–] paysrenttobirds@sh.itjust.works 42 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I'm wondering if it's the lurkers. Based on personal experience: I enjoyed Reddit from the sidelines for years--never made an account. Switch to Lemmy and few users means no conversation, so I figured I'd jump in. But it turns out I'm a pretty boring, literal, mild-mannered commenter. Nice, but no zing. I'm still kind of waiting for the banter.

[–] jmanjones@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

no zing doesn't get the upvotes though!

And that's exactly what i want. So over the recycled, rehashed, reposted, or whatever that has become of almost every subreddit.

can we go back to sharing information and solutions and it being at least kind of fun

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[–] dmention7@lemm.ee 13 points 1 year ago

I feel this. It felt like anything I ever had to comment had been said a dozen times by the time I stumbled into a thread, so I rarely felt any need or desire to post on Reddit. Here, I almost feel obligated to, just to keep the threads going. Part of me is excited to see the activity keep picking up here, but part of me is enjoying actually feeling like my boring-ass comments are worth posting, and also knowing said lame comments aren't going to get heaped with random snark. Feels like the medium size forums I used to frequent back in the 00s and early 10s.

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[–] Phegan@lemmy.world 40 points 1 year ago (20 children)

I am absolutely trying my best to be friendly, tolerant and open minded here on Lemmy to set the tone for a growing culture here

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[–] yeontura@lemmy.world 36 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

Everyone in this thread are fucking morons.

[–] MargotRobbie@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I'm not, I'm just here to promote "Barbie".

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[–] Venomnik0@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

You make a fair point.

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[–] Galluf@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

That hasn't been my experience.

It's still a very mixed reaction if you say something contrary to the dominant opinion.

And still just as likely to get strawmanned if you disagree with an aspect, but still overall agree with the conclusion.

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[–] TPetrichor@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago (14 children)

So far my experience on Lemmy.world is more hostile than I was expecting. Very quick to downvote and troll here. Hoping I've only just had the misfortune of finding a lot of bad eggs quickly??????

[–] Frostwolf@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (5 children)

@TPetrichor@lemmy.world

What community are you subscribed to?

Generally, my experience was welcoming with long posts and orderly discussion.

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[–] Boldizzle@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Trust me the extreme Redditors are here now too.

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[–] Pixel@lemmy.sdf.org 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] matricaria@feddit.de 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)
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[–] MrMobius@sh.itjust.works 21 points 1 year ago

Now we just have to keep this culture of respect, even if the platform gains popularity. Buckle up!

[–] trouser_mouse@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I've encountered some rude people on Lemmy, but also a lot of people who love genuine discussion, helping others and want the best for the platform and communities.

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (8 children)

I am currently in the middle of a lengthy political argument with someone on c/politics, and we fundamentally disagree on things, but both of us are being cordial about it and I appreciate that.

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[–] NekoKamiGuru@ttrpg.network 17 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The fediverse is far more open to the idea of being a "marketplace of ideas" .

That is what Reddit was before Spez got greedy and abandoned the liberal ideas that made Reddit great when Aaron Swartz was around.

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[–] kklusz@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (4 children)

TBH I've seen (and engaged in) plenty of the latter on Lemmy too. The only place where I've seen such behavior actually banned was themotte

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[–] slush@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Lets test this…

Abortion should be illegal because that would help population grow faster, leading to more cheap labor that would benefit everyone. It should also be illegal to be gay, because gay people cannot have children and all major companies need more workers. Gay people are also not as fun to joke with during lunch. Therefore having gay people in your company will decrease the productivity of your workers.

What steps did you take today to prevent the spread of gay and abortions?

[–] Klear@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

that is a fair point you fucking moron

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[–] skates@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Aren't a ton of Lemmy users from Reddit? That being said, I've had more positive interactions here than on Reddit, but I haven't been on Lemmy that long.

[–] DasRubberDuck@feddit.de 20 points 1 year ago (8 children)

The subset of users that switched to Lemmy is smart enough to get over the "select an instance"-hurdle and fine with being on a smaller website with less content. This results in a different kind of interaction. Poeple here seem to still remember that there are actually living people behind those usernames. If Lemmy keeps growing there will be more chances to have the proper "go fuck yourself"-kind of interaction we are used to.

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[–] Sightline@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago

More and more shills (and people polarized by shills) will work their way in. Personally I believe we're in a honeymoon phase.

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[–] jonatan83@lemmy.fmhy.ml 12 points 1 year ago

At least the circlejerking was brought here intact...

[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I can't not agree with this.

[–] AES@lemmy.ronsmans.eu 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Shardikprime@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (10 children)
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[–] jpeps@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm sure we're going to see all sorts of behaviour here soon if we aren't already. The Reddit attitude I hope we avoid as much as possible is that pointlessly aggressive tone though. Not just in arguments but responses to posts from people who seem to have only just learnt the word fuck and use it to add an extra condescending slant to their weirdly celebrated rant about how someone misread a paper or something.

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[–] improvisedbuttplug@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (12 children)

With that short lived bit of nostalgia for cringy old meme formats I think it's also safe to say that this platform skews old.

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[–] finkrat@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (12 children)

Literally just re-uninstalled Reddit because some neanderthal (probably an insult to neanderthals) couldn't even argue properly without putting words in my mouth I never said or implied

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[–] voidMainVoid@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Just wait. The only reason why Lemmy is more polite is because it's smaller. I think that attitude comes with the territory, unfortunately. If you want to have a less toxic community, the first thing you need to do is get rid of the downvote button. Downvotes are inherently toxic. Lemmy is actually worse than reddit in this regard, because you can actually see the ratio of upvotes to downvotes. So, even if your comment has a high score, you can still feel shitty knowing that X number of people downvoted it.

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[–] Zippy@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Personally I liked many of the opposite views and some conflict. Made for entertaining discussions at times even if I don't agree with it.

When everyone has the same opinion, not much left to discuss.

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