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That's cool. We definitely need open source car software But when I said that I was thinking more about hardware Because with open source hardware you couldn't sneak connectivity chips Etc. in without people knowing about it

From a link someone provided above it seems legit.

the motorcycle used 28% less fuel than the comparable decade car and emitted 30% fewer carbon dioxide emissions, but it emitted 416% more hydrocarbons, 3,220% more oxides of nitrogen and 8,065% more carbon monoxide. The MythBusters’ conclusion: ‘At best, it’s a wash. Motorcycles are just as bad for the environment as cars,’ Savage said on the show. ‘At worst, they’re far worse.’

I recognize it's not an official study, but seems to be more concrete than anecdotal evidence and changed my perspective some. The article also quotes a researcher at UC Riverside which makes more sense on what's going on

‘We’ve been working to clean up passenger vehicles since the ‘70s,’ said Kent Johnson, who’s on the research faculty at UC Riverside and is director of its emissions lab, where the MythBusters’ numbers were analyzed. ‘We’ve been putting on catalytic converters and sensors to improve their ability to control emissions. We didn’t start doing that on motorcycles until the 2000s. It just shows you how far we’ve taken passenger vehicles and how difficult it is to do the same thing with motorcycles. First of all, there’s no room. And the incremental cost might double the price of a bike.’

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It's not the gas mileage, that's the problem. It's the amount of CO2 and whatever it emits into the air is higher in particulate matter or whatever because there's not a catalytic converter and such like there is in cars. at least from what I understand.

If I remember correctly, you're probably already buying two new and need to go back further to like 2003 era or before.

Yeah they should’ve made what Proton has.

Not if you install a degoogled rom :)

You can put your phone in a Faraday bag.

How am I going to do that to my car :(

Cell phones don't cost tens of thousands of dollars and have easy ways to get around tracking if you're really concerned. While I can avoid certain apps on my phone or install a different os, doing something similar for new cars is currently impossible apart from tearing it apart to find and unplug the modem.

Carrier is still slurping your dataz.

Hedging my bets in trying to make my statements correct. Phrasing as I did, my statements are true if it's just a few companies under potential scrutiny or all car companies in the US so it's the truest way to write with the facts I haven't my disposal.

I mean people love the classics for a reason, privacy is just an added bonus of having an awesome classic car.

Because traditional cars were a thing before spying technology was available. EVs only became widely available when spying was already a common practice.

That is - I don't think "buying an older car" is a longterm viable option, older ones would become harder to maintain as years go by. My main hope now is that people would find ways to physically rip the cellular connecticity devices out of cars and/or install privacy-focused OSs on them.