this post was submitted on 28 Feb 2024
48 points (98.0% liked)

UK Politics

3053 readers
172 users here now

General Discussion for politics in the UK.
Please don't post to both !uk_politics@feddit.uk and !unitedkingdom@feddit.uk .
Pick the most appropriate, and put it there.

Posts should be related to UK-centric politics, and should be either a link to a reputable news source for news, or a text post on this community.

Opinion pieces are also allowed, provided they are not misleading/misrepresented/drivel, and have proper sources.

If you think "reputable news source" needs some definition, by all means start a meta thread. (These things should be publicly discussed)

Posts should be manually submitted, not by bot. Link titles should not be editorialised.

Disappointing comments will generally be left to fester in ratio, outright horrible comments will be removed.
Message the mods if you feel something really should be removed, or if a user seems to have a pattern of awful comments.

!ukpolitics@lemm.ee appears to have vanished! We can still see cached content from this link, but goodbye I guess! :'(

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
tom@feddit.uk
GreatAlbatross@feddit.uk
flamingos@feddit.uk
48
More than half of Tory members in poll say Islam a threat to British way of life (www.theguardian.com)
submitted 7 months ago by GreyShuck@feddit.uk to c/uk_politics@feddit.uk
22 comments fedilink hide all child comments
all 23 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] leraje@lemmy.blahaj.zone 28 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Yeah that religion which comprises less than 7% of the UK population is clearly a massive threat. Whereas the one that runs at 45% of the population and has laws mandating its use in schools and legal institutions and has 26 members in the House Of Lords, the only country apart from Iran to appoint religious leaders to law making positions, is obviously no threat to liberty at all.

[–] flamingos@ukfli.uk 14 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

It is amazing how Britain purports to be a secular state while having a state religion.

[–] obinice@lemmy.world 23 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I wonder how many reckon the extreme side of Christianity (which we see currently devouring the rights of the peoples of the USA) is a threat to our way of life too...

As a British voter, Christiofascism worries me far more than Islam does right now.

[–] FatLegTed@feddit.uk 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I do.

All forms of religious extremism are a threat to our way of life.

Islam is getting targeted at the moment because the others aren't currently violently trying to enforce their version of a fictitious deity onto us.

[–] obinice@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago

Indeed, religious extremism, at least that which outwardly affects others (if you want to be extreme in your beliefs and live in a cave away from humanity to achieve enlightenment that's cool go for it), is a threat to everybody.

Nobody's ever tried to violently force Islam on me, or anybody I know, though.

Now, Catholic Priests and Teachers at our religious UK state schools on the other hand? Ooh, the stories we could tell...

[–] Emperor@feddit.uk 13 points 7 months ago

And I think Lee Anderson is a threat to the British way of life.

[–] Jackthelad@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago

Of course my post gets downvoted by the "nothing to see here" brigade. 😂

Interesting that people are so selective about what religions they criticise in this country though. As an atheist, I treat them all equally, yet some people seem desperate to never say anything bad about Islam, despite the fact their views on women's rights, LGBT rights and such are very similar to Christianity. 🤔

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 4 points 7 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:

It found that 52% believe the increasingly prominent conspiracy theory that parts of European cities are under sharia law and are “no-go” areas for non-Muslims.

The findings give an insight into why senior members of the party have refused to condemn the recent comments by Lee Anderson about the London mayor, Sadiq Khan, as Islamophobic.

Anderson, who was the deputy party chair, said on GB News that he thought Khan, one of the country’s most prominent Muslim politicians, was being controlled by Islamists.

Other prominent Conservatives have defended Anderson, including the former home secretary Suella Braverman who said on Monday that the row over his comments constituted “hysteria”.

Sajjad Karim, a former Tory MEP, told the Guardian’s First Edition newsletter this week: “I can go back to about 2012 or 2013 when I first started to detect some of this type of talk.

Lowles said: “Based on the views of Conservative members, it’s clear why Anderson, Braverman et al feel increasingly emboldened to push the boundaries of decency and speak negatively of Muslims, immigrants and multiculturalism more generally.

The original article contains 770 words, the summary contains 178 words. Saved 77%. I'm a bot and I'm open source!

[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 3 points 7 months ago

It’s ok, they’ll just get the press to do another witch hunt for anti-semitism in the Labour Party. No-one can be shocked that you’re racist if you were always racist.

[–] Jackthelad@lemmy.world -4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Well, this is obviously overblown, but there is a growing problem with radical Islam in this country.

Just ask the Batley teacher who is still in hiding with police protection three years after he had the audacity to do his job.

[–] jabjoe@feddit.uk 0 points 7 months ago (2 children)

You mean : https://www.theguardian.com/education/2021/may/26/batley-teacher-suspended-after-showing-charlie-hebdo-image-can-return

He should not have knowingly shown something offensive, but mob justice is no justice for his indiscretion.

[–] FatLegTed@feddit.uk 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Anything can be offensive to some. That article is over 2 years old. Not sure if he's back at work but the rent a mob will have moved to another target by now.

[–] jabjoe@feddit.uk -1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

The article is still less old than the event. He should have known that was offensive but there should have been no mob.

Edit: english

[–] Jackthelad@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Yes, I've heard this kind of hand-wringing, victim-blaming bullshit before, as if it somehow excuses the complete snowflake parents who were offended by it and sent him into hiding with death threats.

We don't have blasphemy laws in this country and we shouldn't act like we do just because of some overly sensitive religious loons.

[–] jabjoe@feddit.uk -1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I agree there should have been an angry mob wanting to lynch him.

But I don't think teachers should knowingly cause offense either. If he didn't know, then he is pretty dim. If a science teacher started saying, as fact, there was no gods, some parents would get offended. The response would depend on the area.

Neither should have happened. The mob is worse I agree. Hard to prove it had violent intent though.

[–] Jackthelad@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

He wasn't showing a depiction of Mohammed to be edgy or cause offence. He was doing it to teach a lesson about political and religious messaging. He was, you know, being a teacher.

It only seems to be Muslims that act like this. If I use "Jesus" as a swear word, or say that Jesus was not God incarnate, that's deeply offensive to Christians. Would I get a mob of Christians sending me death threats, or would they just ignore me, think I'm a knob and get on with their day?

Besides, you can't "cause offence". Offence cannot be given, only taken. And what offends people differs everywhere. You can't keep policing your language in case some nutter takes offence to it.

[–] jabjoe@feddit.uk -1 points 7 months ago

It's really really ignorant to not know that was going to cause offence to Μuslims. The reason it was so well know is the riots it caused. So I think he knew he was going to cause offence.

And it's not just Muslims, there are plenty of dangerously crazy christians (too much of the US!). I'd wonder if it was monotheism being fundamentalist, but then there crazy Hindus and Buddhists and everything else. I think it's just humans. Especially in groups/mobs.