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[–] SarcasticMan@lemmy.world 63 points 9 months ago (2 children)

They can set up their deradicalization camps. In these camps, they can teach the Palestinian new skills and give them jobs. They can even have some sort of slogan that they could put above the entrance to the main camp. Something like "Work Will Set You Free."

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 21 points 9 months ago (2 children)

They were already using Palestinians as cheap labor slaves before Oct 7.

Surely israel will be nice enough to hand them a select few work permits for Palestinians to slave away for a starving wage again.

But outside of Gaza this time. They can stay in their concentration camp in Egypt, come over the Egyptian border and work on turning their own Gazan land into a farm for the Ubermensch israelis colonists.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago

Comment is being reported, most likely for the use of the word "slavery".

For those of you reporting this, I encourage you to read the 280 page Amnesty International report regarding Israel's treatment of Palestinians.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/documents/mde15/5141/2022/en/

[–] Mr_Blott@lemmy.world 20 points 9 months ago (1 children)

BRB setting up a tattoo shop in Palestine

[–] SarcasticMan@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago

They could make the Palestinians wear yellow crescent moons with a little star next to them so they know who is who and can deradicalize them faster.

[–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 47 points 9 months ago

Every act and every announcement so far have been openly genocidal. They deny genocide with their words while engaging in genocide with their actions.

This should never be called a "war". It is genocide.

[–] filister@lemmy.world 37 points 9 months ago (2 children)

What is more worrying is that they want to establish some puppet government of Gaza with officials who are selected by Israel, want to dismantle UNRWA, want to continue the occupation and the economic blockade of the enclave and they absolutely refuse to start talking about recognition of the state of Palestine.

Today they even announced that their Knesset has approved the building of 3300 new homes in the occupied West Bank, which speaks volumes of what their end goal is.

This is happening because Israel was too long able to act with an absolute impunity and without any real repercussions by the West, so now they have the feeling that they are above international law and this creates a really dangerous precedent.

[–] bartolomeo@suppo.fi 14 points 9 months ago

One major reason Hamas beat out Fatah in the 2006 elections was because Fatah was a

puppet government... with officials who are selected by Israel

Israel has made absolutely no effort toward peace and, like you and other commenters point out, makes tons of effort to eradicate Palestinians and take their land, so a puppet government in Gaza will do nothing but prolong the conflict and keep these periodic "wars" coming. What's critical to keep in mind is that Israel profits immensly from war, so they have no incentive to stop it. Quite the contrary. Bottom line is that Palestinians will either be wiped out now, or later. Unless action is taken now the human toll will only increase, and the outcome will be the same, genocide.

[–] assassinatedbyCIA@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

Literal viceroys

[–] kibiz0r@midwest.social 15 points 9 months ago

They’re thinning these euphemisms down to nothing, aren’t they?

[–] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

And "de-radicalisation" programmes would be promoted in all religious, educational and welfare institutions. The document suggests Arab countries with experience of such programmes would be involved, though Mr Netanyahu has not specified which.

I'm concerned because I don't think anyone actually knows how to do this. Islamist movements have evolved to resist de-radicalization and as far as I know, success of the sort Mr. Netanyahu envisions would be an unprecedented achievement rather than something he can follow an established protocol in order to accomplish.

[–] OccamsTeapot@lemmy.world 17 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yeah I would love to see the de-radicalization program that works on a teenager whose entire family you just killed and whom you've isolated, dehumanized and put under siege his entire life.

Don't worry guys, Netanyahu has solved terrorism! We just needed to explain to them that it's wrong. Can't believe we never thought of that

[–] athos77@kbin.social 11 points 9 months ago (1 children)

After WWII, Germany considered the occupying Allied powers to be, well, occupiers. You know what really changed West Germany's attitude and shifted them from resentment to better cooperation? The Berlin Airlift. They saw that the West was determined to not-abandon then to the Russians, which gave the Western powers massive credibility with the people. It's just a shame that the West has so readily abandoned all credibility with the Arab world.

[–] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works -4 points 9 months ago (3 children)

I don't think it's that straightforward. The Soviet Union also successfully pacified East Germany and turned it into an ally. The USA spent twenty years and two trillion dollars trying to build credibility in Afghanistan, and that was all for nothing.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 10 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The USA spent twenty years and two trillion dollars trying to build credibility in Afghanistan, and that was all for nothing.

Because they were doing it while supporting a corrupt government and bombing people willy nilly. There's a reason the US is known for bombing weddings.

[–] assassinatedbyCIA@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

Yeah, they built credibility by checks notes giving positions of power to literal child molestors and war lords. The US spent two trillion bombing Afghanistan into the ground.

[–] DdCno1@kbin.social 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

successfully pacified East Germany and turned it into an ally

By executing anyone who didn't want to get along. Remember the 1953 uprising?

[–] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works -3 points 9 months ago

Yes, that's my point. Credibility-building worked, and so did brutal repression. This leads me to think that there was some underlying cultural factor present in post-WWII Germany that made it governable by occupiers, by whatever means. The presence of radical Islamist movements appears to correspond to the absence of such a factor. (Sufficiently brutal repression might still work, the way it did for Putin in Chechnya, but it's not an option for Israel.)

[–] Flumpkin 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

There are articles about what went wrong, but mostly they weren't even trying to "nation build". They often supported the worst kind of monsters. Like people cheered for the taliban because they removed them, the worst kind of warlords, the USA put them back in charge.

What does work is prosperity, education and peace. Only then can you have democracy. Israel had 70 years to help build up Palestine, they could have had like 3 TV channels with propaganda to build bridges and give them a life worth living. The terrorism would have made that very hard, but if you occupy a country that would have been the way to go.

[–] bartolomeo@suppo.fi 9 points 9 months ago

I don't think anyone actually knows how to do this.

This is just standard colonialism.

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 2 points 9 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Under the plan Israel would also maintain security control over the entire area west of Jordan from land, sea and air.

He is keen to restore a crumbling reputation as a leader who can keep Israel safe and will want to appeal to right wing hardliners in his coalition government.

Israel's military offensive was triggered by Hamas's unprecedented attack on 7 October in which gunmen killed about 1,200 people - mainly civilians - and took 253 back to Gaza as hostages.

Overnight the head of the UN body responsible for Palestinian refugees (Unrwa) warned that Gaza faces a "monumental disaster with grave implications for regional peace, security and human rights".

Mr Netanyahu - who has accused Unrwa workers of participating in the October attacks - aims to close the agency as part of his post-war plan and replace it with - as yet unspecified - international aid organisations.

And he has insisted that he will continue his war until Israel has dismantled Hamas and Islamic Jihad - the second largest armed group in Gaza - and all Israeli hostages are returned.


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