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[–] Wanderer@lemm.ee 52 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

I get that it's stupid and there isn't much more to say.

But why is diversity always black people? It's not Italians or Swedes which would make way more sense, or even Indians or Chinese.

[–] CluckN@lemmy.world 28 points 8 months ago

Probably due to training data. If you do a google image search for diversity it will show black people.

[–] Acinonyx@lemmy.sdf.org 24 points 8 months ago

no stop you're not supposed to think about it

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 21 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Because "diverse" means "not white" in today's USA. It also sometimes excludes Asians. Italians and Swedes are considered White.

[–] TheAlbatross@lemmy.blahaj.zone 39 points 8 months ago (3 children)
[–] grte@lemmy.ca 101 points 8 months ago (4 children)

OP probably assumes it's impossible that a black person might have been born in Scotland in 1820 despite the Atlantic slave trade being in full swing for centuries by that point making this entirely feasible.

[–] captainjaneway@lemmy.world 58 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Feasible? Sure. Pick 2 people randomly during that time? Unlikely. I have nothing against diversity. And I have nothing against an AI being encouraged to produce diverse outputs. I do think it's a clear indicator of the internal prompts that guide the AIs choices.

[–] grte@lemmy.ca 32 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

I mean, sure. But it's not like that's the only bias. What are the chances it was going to pick two attractive, seemingly well to do people and not two plain farmers or shepherds or something like that? Or people of very different ages or different heights, etc.

It's not choosing entirey randomly but it isn't showing us anything that couldn't have possibly existed.

[–] saltesc@lemmy.world 20 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] bruhduh@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

Shrek is love Shrek is life

[–] Acinonyx@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 8 months ago

It's not choosing entirey randomly but it isn't showing us anything that couldn't have possibly existed.

No it's showing us anything the creators of the AI want us to see. It won't generate ugly people because the creators used much more attractive people to train the AI. Also, you won't see what your typical Scot looked like in the 1820s, because the creators made the AI change the prompt to add diversity.

[–] KeenFlame@feddit.nu 20 points 8 months ago

It's pretty clear that it's not picking two randomly

[–] winterayars@sh.itjust.works -2 points 8 months ago (2 children)

The prompt wasn't to generate two equally statistically likely people or something. It was: show me two people. The AI did just that.

[–] captainjaneway@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago

Random is implicit in that statement.

[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The AI did that. Because of a guided output.

[–] winterayars@sh.itjust.works 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

What does "guided output" mean in this context?

[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

You guide the output to influence it.
Like making it "diverse" (include a black person), a person being attractive and free of blemishes unless instructed, a person being a specific age like 20-30 unless instructed.

That are just a few examples what I meant.

[–] winterayars@sh.itjust.works -2 points 8 months ago

That does not appear to be what's happening in that image.

[–] magnetosphere@kbin.social 30 points 8 months ago

In 1778, Court of Session judges ruled that slavery was incompatible with Scots Law. This ruling meant Knight could not be made to carry out tasks for Wedderburn or be taken back to Jamaica against his will.

Awesome. Knight is a hero.

[–] TheAlbatross@lemmy.blahaj.zone 23 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

OP would have to be pretty stupid if that's the case.

It looks like they made their account just to post this. They made an account just to tell others they're a moron.

Damn

[–] GlitterInfection@lemmy.world 12 points 8 months ago

Apparently the National Library of Scotland has caved to the woke liberal agenda of acknowledging that black people exist and your post deserves to be downvoted!

[–] GregorGizeh@lemmy.zip 80 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

The fact that 200 years ago, Scotland had about 2 million inhabitants, all of whom were virtually exclusively ethnic scots. Up until about 40 years ago there weren’t even keeping track of that, with over 99% being ethnic scots at the start of the census in the 80s. (Source: Wikipedia)

Now this ai is obviously fabricating bullshit because it was trained to be diverse and inclusive.

[–] saigot@lemmy.ca 19 points 8 months ago (2 children)
[–] Cypher@lemmy.world 20 points 8 months ago (1 children)

There were more Scots in Africa at the time yet you won’t see AI adding them to pictures.

[–] TheBat@lemmy.world 12 points 8 months ago

Exactly. Ask AI for 2 people from India born in 1860. How often one of them will be white?

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 10 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

There was some African dude who the king enjoyed so now it makes sense to depict your typical Scottish man in 1820s as black lol

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 9 points 8 months ago

Not really your typical Scottish couple, are they

[–] FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world 29 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] tkk13909@sopuli.xyz 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I see two eyes so no? Maybe Michael Jackson...

[–] ouRKaoS@lemmy.today 15 points 8 months ago

Demoman before The Incident™.

[–] heavy@sh.itjust.works 22 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Seeing black people on the screen always seems to piss someone off ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[–] exocrinous@lemm.ee 10 points 8 months ago

It's funny because their makeup, hairdressing, and style is largely incompatible with the beauty technologies and standards of the day.

[–] I_Clean_Here@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Same as people throwing a fit how there were black officers in Napoleon's army in the 2023 film, not thinking that this could be possible, showing their lack of historical knowledge and ignorance.

You could have just told us that you are a moron.

[–] Acinonyx@lemmy.sdf.org 35 points 8 months ago (1 children)

of course it's possible, but like the AI said, it didn't generate a pic of Scots from the 1820s, it made a pic of Scots from the 1820s with added diversity. the user didn't want this but the AI changed the prompt.

If I wanted a pic of African people from the 1820s I wouldn't like forced diversity whites in that pic either.

[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world -2 points 8 months ago

Implying there were no black people born in Scotland in 1820

Implying there were no white people born in the continent of Africa in 1820

Do yourself a favour, never look up images of Alexandre Dumas (author of three musketeers) otherwise you might find out that black people were also born in France in 1802.