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The mastodon and lemmy content I’m seeing feels like 90% of it comes from people who are:

  • ~30 years old or older

  • tech enthusiasts/workers

  • linux users

There’s nothing wrong with that particular demographic or anything, but it doesn’t feel like a win to me if the entire fediverse is just one big monoculture.

I wonder what it is that is keeping more diverse users away? Is picking a server/federation too complicated? Or is it that they don’t see any content that they like?

Thoughts?

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[–] LordAdamH@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I kind of fit the description so I certainly can't argue with you.

I think a big part of the reason you're so spot on is because of the timing. Painting with broad strokes here, but the group you mentioned is kind of the group you need for something like Lemmy to be built in the first place. And I fully appreciate Lemmy had been around for awhile now, but let's be honest, it's only recently become 'popular' thanks to u/spez.

I hope the username will expand as more people find out about Lemmy. I think with that will come feature changes (more likle9in the form of third party apps) as a more diverse group of people start using Lemmy.

[–] GRiMtox@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I don't use Linux, but other than that...

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[–] Malzod@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Definitely the server federation thing is overwhelming. I don't even know what that is. I was told Lemmy.world is the alternative Reddit.

[–] RBWells@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (4 children)

It's funny if so - I was so old on Reddit. But this means I'm old enough to remember Usenet so this platform is comfortable for me.

I don't think it was difficult at all to sign up though, doesn't seem like a barrier to entry.

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[–] ripjackie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

24 yr old tech worker / Linux user checking in! I'm not old yet but I've got the spirit!

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[–] MonsieurArchi@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Branding is also another factor that comes into play here. Most regular users are used to having a more polished app. Simplicity is the driving force behind apps like tiktok and Instagram. They build on top of each other rather than reinventing the wheel. So it's just a transfer of skills and patterns. With the fediverse, regular users have relearn those patterns and skills, which most people just aren't going to do.

One way to solve this problem is to just abstract the idea of the fediverse. Rather than saying "join the fediverse, we're decentralised" we could say "we're a multiverse of internet communities".

I also dont think regular users care about whether a post is from another server or not. This can be abstracted as well by only showing the community not the server. What I'm trying to say is, even though the fediverse is a decentralised network, we need to treat is as a centralized one.

[–] Agamemnon@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Enjoy the benefits of having a higher barrier of entry while it lasts. /gen

[–] rev@ihax0r.com 6 points 1 year ago

Its the BBS era come again.

[–] Ktheone@vlemmy.net 6 points 1 year ago

No man, I'm 20 and I'm using this site

[–] RealNooshie@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

I am younger than that demographic and not the most techy person, so maybe not exclusively. But yes, in my experience with Lemmy and Mastodon that is the trend.

[–] Z4rK@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

My take today after observing for some weeks, is that Lemmy fills all MY needs. Reddit will probably not die. Threads seems to be a hit.

I just don’t care enough. Yeah, I wish everyone stopped using Reddit and Meta apps, but Lemmy is certainly not ready for 500 million new users right now anyway, and if they were, moderation would just be hell again.

I haven’t used Reddit since Apollo shut down unless it’s the only place still I can get in touch with some business, and I’ve blocked Threads on my network and devices.

I’m very happy with this. It would be nice if some cool, open source, free, tolerant and loving network would pop up to save 14-18 year olds and our next generation from manipulative commercial SoMe, but honestly Lemmy would probably never be that.

My only concern currently is that lemmy.world want to allow Threads for the time being while I see absolutely nothing to be gained from that.

[–] Gerula@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

I'm 3 out of 3. Sorry I don't have a good answer for you.

My unfounded guess is that this demographic has seen the internet at it's beginings and is more willing to put up with the lack of bling and willing to discover/ build things from the ground up, just like the Forums of the Old in the mythological era were done. No corporations, no low effort rewards, no likes/ karma/ whatever. You have to actually get involved for lemmy to live.

[–] Usanam@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] digdilem@feddit.uk 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Me too, but I couldn't eat a whole one.

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[–] dysseus@monero.town 6 points 1 year ago

Most people are older than 30.

[–] someacnt@sopuli.xyz 6 points 1 year ago

Did you see the linux memes comments? It's full of windows users who are infuriating me.

[–] MrPenguinSky@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

I'm not that old! I'm still a linux user and tech enthusiast though, so you're not that off.

I think most people don't go to a platform because of how it is implemented but rather what content and what communities already exist there.

People on the fediverse now are using it not because of the content already here but more because of the promise of a platform designed in a different way that will ultimately enable a better internet experience. I think part of the reason why it's mostly techy people is that the sales pitch is complicated enough that mostly techy people will be able to appreciate it. Not to say that non-techy people are too stupid to get it, it's just that it requires a kind of abstract thinking that techy people are more used to.

It feels like lemmy seems to have a sense of nostalgia for old reddit in some ways, so I imagine that a lot of people on here where also on reddit maybe 5-15 years ago, which means that you are probably going to be older than the average reditor as well as techy. Can't speak for mastodon, honestly I find the culture on most instances I've seen to be kinda weird and unappealing but yes it seems to be older techy people as well there.

[–] CoffeeBlood91@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago

You just described me perfectly.

I feel like the people who are really upto speed, read between the lines, know their shit, and know what the best shit it.

Generally the people on here take their time, do their research, and invest in some quality product.

I was a Windows user up until last summer, a daily Reddit user since 2011, I was born in 1991, always been somewhat of a computer geek growing up.

In life I work as a barista/manager in a cafe, I set up the whole POS, trained staff, I do latte art.

Outside of work I organize public boardgame groups and movies in the park using a projecto, connected to a steamdeck, connected to a harddrive with 1800 movies.

The second Reddit hit the fan, I came here.

When I go to the bar, I make friends easy, I talk people's ears off about geeky stuff. I eat mushroom chocolates a few times a week that I made my self, mushrooms give me insight and revelations.

I am the only person I know in person who has a steamdeck, no one I talk to is familiar with Linux, and few people are familiar with the fediverse and what's happened to Reddit.

It's odd feeling like the odd one out, but I am happy to have these forums to connect to other odd ones out.

[–] meiti@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

It might be partially due to corrolation as well. People who don't like to be controlled by corporate overlords and be their products, tend to use/switch to open alternatives.

[–] icepuncher69@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago

Ehhh... might be better that way. Dont whant to act like a gate keeper, but if you are refering to normies, then it better this way, since normie activity usually is politically oriented, and not in a civiliced dialogue oriented manner, specially US politics, and usually on major non isues that i rather not get into since i dont whant to sumon them, and with normie activity comes the political bots that just make the noise louder. Its the main reason that r/whitepeopletwitter never leaves the top 10 of r/all back at reddit and why twitter and facebook are full of extremist viewpoints. Now if you are reffering to other academic/profecional comunities like the historians, medics or phisicyts, then thats because they usually stay on the larger online platforms or standard publishing because they are not on the mindset of being anti-stablishment, rebelious or cyberpunk HACK THE WORLD kind of thing since their comunities are better stablished and they really have no reason to be in on some obscure platform thats really just the second best choise to reddit thats mostly used by ex redditors. Now that might change due to meta sticking their noses up in here or hopefully due to the growing comunities in the fediverse. Although with the beef some of the instances have with each other that might definetly make it harder to sell on other people outside of the alreaddy interested.

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