But for real though, they had to know that having telemetry be on by default wasn't going to look good for the open source community.
this post was submitted on 07 Jul 2023
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Especially with Red Hat's current shenanigans that just recently happened. I can't see how anyone thought this was a good idea OR good timing for it.
Fedora is separate from Redhat for the most part. It has its own board that makes decisions
Which is made of mostly RH people.
OK your not entirely wrong but there are also community elections
The discussion thread for Fedora specifically stated that the change was requested by Red Hat, as well.
Power corrupts. Let this be a lesson in letting corporations get a foothold in open source.
That's too harsh imho (the power corrupts thing). Telemetry can be very useful (see how Mozilla lately solved a bug in Firefox related to a specific version of the Linux kernel) so I'm willing to believe their intentions were right. But I agree it's not a smart move and better to have made it opt-in taking the target audience of the distro into account.
Its literally opt in
Can we all just pretend Red Hat and its derivatives/relatives no longer exist? It's clear that the leadership behind these projects don't care about open source anymore. There are plenty of options for Linux operating systems that actually care about user freedom, privacy, and openness. Anything with Red Hat backing it no longer gets to claim they support any of these.
Install Debian, install Arch. If you must, install Ubuntu (though they're not much better these days). Anything but Red Hat.
Don't forget SUSE :D
Everyone always forgets SUSE :(
SuSE needs a better package manager. Zypper was cool back in the day, but no longer cuts it, especially when you compare it to the likes of dnf5.
Totally disagree, but that's a given when it comes to package managers I think. I showed my coworker who was RHEL to the core some neat Zypper features and he was pretty impressed. One feature I think is cool that I don't think anyone else has is zypper ps which shows processes with open file handles to files that were updated. I also really like the way it handles conflict resolution and the same package in multiple repos.
RHEL is the core IT/SysAdmin crowd. Anyone looking to get into this career space gets a copy of The Linux Bible and runs Fedora to get started. A lot of the Linux core functionality comes from, and is maintained by RH. This is not just a desktop choice for users. If you really want to get to a kernel hacking type of understanding of Linux RHEL documentation is a great baseline where there is info that does not exist in any other source except reading the source code.
Don’t you think that’s a bit extreme? I don’t think that the community debating opt-out telemetry qualifies fedora as not supporting open source. Correct me if I’m wrong, but Fedora is a community run project, meaning basically all of it has to be open source.
There's so much dumb fud spread about fedora and RHEL anymore it's not worth the time arguing about it.
It's exhausting, and shit like this is truly one of the most toxic aspects of the FOSS community.
I am also very tired of debating it too. It seems like these people are more content with being angry about it than understanding the move and disagreeing with it
Lets say I wanted a distro with more bleeding edge packages but not something DIY like Arch, what would you recommend?
Nowadays I use EndeavourOS. It's Arch bit "just works" Graphical installer, you choose a DE, it automatically installs audio, media codecs etc. But under the hood it's still Arch so you get daily updates and AUR
I use Calam Arch Installer which is a graphical installer not unlike those used on other distros but for vanilla Arch. Garuda and Manjaro use the same installer but with their tweaks. Calam installer is standard Arch.
I wouldn't really can arch diy. I run arch. I have way fewer problems with it than any other distro
CachyOS. It's arch based, but the installer is really good, and it has great repos. It also has a lot of optimizations for modern cpus
Alright, let's say I'm a Windows user who wants to dual-boot Linux and was planning on Fedora because I've heard it's pretty good for someone transferring over from that OS, but this telemetry bullshit has turned me away.
What would you say is next best?
Honestly, Ubuntu would be a good place to start learning. Then once you're feeling brave, Debian. Then once you're really feeling cocky, Arch will happily take you down a few pegs.
You cannot say that the derivatives of RHEL don't support foss, as all of them are community made/maintained. Also TECHNICALLY speaking RedHat did not breach the GPL, as it allows for selling of foss projects... Not saying that it's not a dick move, just saying that it's TECHNICALLY legal...
Yea, OK. I was a Red Hat apologist and kept using Fedora for a while but after this sadly I think it's time to go back to Debian. Thank God I didn't install Fedora on my new server which I was going to set up next weekend.
Actually out of the loop for this one. What's the deal with making that on by default, was there any justification?
They haven't made anything. It's just a proposal right now. Instead of constructively sharing feedback about the default state, people are spouting hyperbole like "Red Hat is Windows".
Ah, thank you for explaining. I don't follow Linux news as closely as I should, and I wondered if this affects me because I use Fedora.
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Honestly I don't care about the proposal. If it's just a checkbox to untick on install then it's not much different from what apps like vlc do.
Guess it's time to migrate my VM servers to a different distro entirely.
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