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[–] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 41 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Other Pacific islands: seething jealousy they didn't think of that first.

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 37 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The esteem which the islanders nevertheless held for Cook caused them to retain his body. Following their practice of the time, they prepared his body with funerary rituals usually reserved for the chiefs and highest elders of the society. The body was disemboweled and baked to facilitate removal of the flesh, and the bones were carefully cleaned for preservation as religious icons in a fashion somewhat reminiscent of the treatment of European saints in the Middle Ages. Some of Cook's remains, thus preserved, were eventually returned to his crew for a formal burial at sea. (on Wikipeda )

It's a complex story.

[–] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 22 points 9 months ago

It is.

Cook was an explorer and worthy of respect. It's not like it's a casual jaunt to the other side of the world, it was an arduous task and a remarkable feat.

Unfortunately Cook's arrival heralded that age's colonialism, itself a mixed blessing.

It's only now, with the wealth of the world's history at our fingertips and an objective view of the past up to the present that lets us judge the effects of past events.

[–] clearleaf@lemmy.world 37 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Every day can be a celebration of murder for americans.

[–] kurwa@lemmy.world 17 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Hawaii wasn't a part of the United States back then.

[–] clearleaf@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yesterday I saw five posts in a row that were either about wanting to commit murder in the future or celebrating past murders. Which is fine but gets cringe in excess especially from people who will never do anything. Then there was this post that looked like it was about something else but then he tied it back into murder again with comedic timing.

[–] kurwa@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

Well at least it had comedic timing lol yeah that's annoying seeing stuff like that over and over again.

[–] gmtom@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago

That dude looks exactly like the kind of person that would make a tweet like this.

[–] BumbleBeeButt@lemmy.zip 12 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Wait till you hear what the Homo sapiens did to the neanderthal...

[–] Assman@sh.itjust.works 21 points 9 months ago

We stabbed them with something else 😏

[–] dylanmorgan 13 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Not sure what your point is, assuming the theory that Homo sapiens wiped out homo neanderthalensis it was before you could really argue there was such a thing as colonialism.

[–] BumbleBeeButt@lemmy.zip 8 points 9 months ago (3 children)

The point is the tribes invade each other throughout history. Humans are colonisers just like bacteria.

[–] Frozengyro@lemmy.world 30 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Most of us like to think we've grown ethically over time. Slaves were commonplace throughout history. Now we see that as unethical, societies improved.

[–] fallingcats@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Unless they're prisoner in the US, apparently.

[–] Kalkaline@leminal.space 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It's right there in the Constitution

[–] 100_kg_90_de_belin@feddit.it 6 points 9 months ago

You can have a little slavery if you behave (the Congress to US states)

Ah, argument from nature. Word to the wise: I used to find that fallacy compelling too, until I realized I with picking and choosing which parts of "nature" sounded right to me.

Kropotkin did it, and so do the momfluencers, and manosphere talking heads,. Even though they have widely contradictory takes.

It's not a good pillar for reason. It's another misty ideology, that only obscures your sources.

[–] dasgoat@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago (1 children)

comparing humans to bacteria in a pro colonialism post

Yeah checks out

How about you go swim in rubbing alcohol if you're such a bacterium. Have fun.

[–] BumbleBeeButt@lemmy.zip 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Look at you, spiteful creature.

[–] BautAufWasEuchAufbaut@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Really don't think you are in a position to call somebody a "spiteful creature" here

[–] BumbleBeeButt@lemmy.zip 3 points 9 months ago

Really don't think you have any power over peoples positions.

[–] lars@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 9 months ago

Booooo to this cursed fucking species #TeamNeander

[–] vanderbilt@beehaw.org 8 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

In the spirit of Aloha, this should be an island holiday.

[–] ParadoxSeahorse@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

United States Public Law 103-150 of 1993 (known as the Apology Resolution), acknowledged that "the overthrow of the Kingdom of Hawaiʻi occurred with the active participation of agents and citizens of the United States" and also "that the Native Hawaiian people never directly relinquished to the United States their claims to their inherent sovereignty as a people over their national lands, either through the Kingdom of Hawaiʻi or through a plebiscite or referendum." Hawaiian Kingdom